Yea I agree. I also blame Cameron. Grown up politicians would be nice for a change.
It would be good if we had a functioning left, but Labour seem obsessed with going down a mental cul de sac and ostracizing it’s traditional voter base
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Yea, whats his face Corbyn is weak as water.
Hey maybe there will be someone emerge in the next shake up whenever that happens, but right now its looking a bit depressing.
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I find it troubling that the winners mostly turn out to be serfs of a repressive regime.
This is propping up totalitarianism. We should be putting pressure on Beijing, not taking it off. If communism can’t succeed on its own merit, then let it be consigned to the dustbin of history so we can all move on.
Let’s get back on topic eh.
Bare faced lies before the referendum and then becomes Foreign Minister, I would agree with that.
It was not. Freedom of movement =/= visa-free access. Besides, the predecessor of the EU dates back to the 50s.
Not comparable at all. Asia is multiple times bigger both area and population-wise and multiple times more unequal. It’s basically just 4 rich countries (one of them is a city) and a bunch of banana republics. The geography won’t allow it. Europe on the other hand is mostly continous, much smaller, and far more equal. Besides there’s the history and the Christian traditions.
ASEAN is integrating relatively quickly though, in the medical area they will have unified medical device regulations for example.
I am somewhat perplexed at that statement as it applies equally to the Remain campaign.
- Tusk ; ’ Western Political civilization would be destroyed if UK voted Leave" Quote.
- Osborne: " Punishment budget immediately if we Leave, Large Tax rises " Quote
3 Soubry; " UK would enter a recession if we vote Leave" Quote
4 Carney : " inreased risk of recession " Quote No recession… .more likely because of disagreements in a deal. - IDS : " 3 Million will lose their jobs " Quote. ( Fact is unemployment lowest since 1971)
- Clegg: " A dangerous Fantasy ’ describing EU desire to create an Army …3 months later , Junker said the EU needs an Army… Quote.
- Denials of the BMW/Airbus blah blah pulling out…still reported as fact . Some will go …but not in the “droves” you suggest. Some will come
- Turkey …Cameron : " i’m angry at the lack of progress in admitting Turkey to the EU" quote. " I will do everything I can to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels" Quote
Of course NOW Merkel is saying it’s a no go. But not then.He then backtracked at the last minute to say it may take decades.
9.Cameron " I will get net migration under 100,000"
" I will stay on as PM if we vote leave "
in addition the Leave campaign spent 13 million on the Campaign , against 19 Million by Remain…hmmm and 9 Million on a Government Produced leaflet sent to every Household , promoting , in effect , the remain advantages.
and before you start with more misrepresented information on the Leave campaign acting illegally…
The elections watchdog “misinterpreted” spending rules surrounding donations by the official Brexit campaign during the EU referendum, the High Court has ruled.
Campaigners from the Good Law Project (GLP) won a legal challenge against the Electoral Commission over election spending by Vote Leave.
You seem to argue that it was the "Old People " voting for brexit , in a way that suggests their vote is worth less than someone younger ? Maybe they remember history and socialist Policies and are against Globalism . Just maybe they are wiser with experience . They are certainly not all Racists blah blah , and many Leavers I know , had a better understanding of the EU issues than some of the Remainers who were fed continuous BS and Bias by the BBC and 70% of the Media.
Fortunately , in spite of these factors, we voted Leave. The subsequent shambles is not a reflection on the Leave Voters but an indication of the EU’s intransigence and a terrible team on both sides. The EU sinply can not be seen to give the UK anything like a reasonable deal. As stated in other threads the EU is under serious threats from all sides and its very existence is doubtful.
I may feel differently if my Country was bailed out of a mess by Billions of Euros but having been one of a handful of Countries being net contributors, i don’t.
I have posted this as a balanced opinion , as you have posted many things Pro EU and anti-Brexit Leave Voters.
it was made blatantly clear to ALL Voters who cared to listen , that it was a “Once in a lifetime Vote” and Leaving meant Leaving the Customs Union blah blah. and the Government said it would implement Article 50 immediately if Leave won . They lied again.
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That’s some list! The quality of lies is definitely declining though.
I don’t have a hand in the game except don’t put a hard border on my other island!
Otherwise if the UK wants to sail off to the tune of Rule Brittania that’s the UK’s choice. See where it ends up.
Want to be careful about holding referendums where bare faced lies are acceptable.
God Save Our (Cheaper) Fruit.
What a gobshite. 
Only poor people care how much food costs. Rednecks.
Yes, they’re very class conscious in the UK.
You are keen to point out all the Negatives , but _your_agenda may be different to many others. I would qualify the following by agreeing that the EU CAP ( Common Agricultural Policy) has had some positives…made us less dependent on fluctuating Imported Food prices, attempting to subsidize greener Farming etc.
There is another argument too. Some of the points you may remember:
By ignoring the rules of supply and demand, the Common Agricultural Policy is hugely wasteful. It leads to overproduction, forming mountains of surplus produce which are either destroyed or dumped on developing nations, undermining the livelihoods of farmers there. A free market would ensure a more effective allocation of resources. Managing the CAP eats up vast amounts of money: from 6.7 % of CAP payments disbursed in France, to 9.3% in Germany.
Farmers represent 3% of the EU’s population. They generate (together with the agri-food business) roughly 6% of the Union’s GDP. Yet they receive 30% of the EU’s total budget through CAP handouts. Europe’s taxpayers hand over €58 billion in subsidies to this tiny, unproductive minority. In times of economic hardship that just doesn’t make sense.
The idea that the CAP protects small farmers and the rural way of life is a myth. Eighty percent of CAP aid goes to just 20 percent of farms. The biggest slice of the subsidy pie is handed to the landed gentry, environment- destroying mega-farms and vast agro-industrial conglomerates. Figures from the UK show Queen Elizabeth II gets around half-a-million euros a year. Food industry giants like Campina or Nestle have been handed hundreds of millions. Small-scale European farmers get little and poor farmers in developing nations are shut out of European markets.
CAP is a double-whammy for your wallet. Taxpayers fork out billions in subsidies then pay again when CAP artificially inflates food prices. CAP supporters say this is a price worth paying for food security, but that’s nonsense. With free trade we could import bountiful cheap food from the United States, Canada, China and elsewhere in the globalised world. Food security just isn’t a problem. CAP artificially shields farmers from healthy competition, hindering the evolution of more modern, more efficient agriculture.
O do not dispute the fact that the EU has done good things, but I see the price of Membership as a loss of so much ability for the UK to determine it’s own policies and Laws, indeed Social structure, trade , and prefer not to be swallowed up in a United States of Europe that , at least I fell, has a high probability of complete failure.
I would have maybe had more benevolent views of the EU as a smaller more coherent bloc of the major 6/7 Countries , but History shows that so many different cultures and economies and politics are impossible to integrate well.
The USA is a completely different Republic and ridiculous to compare …although imagine California joining a Republican ruled Country today ( If given a Vote on it )
Trump to the rescue?
It’s going to be GREAT, THE BEST TRADE DEAL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE…
Next week
ITS BAD (inhales air through nose) IVE NEVER SEEN A WORSE DEAL FOLKS, THEY TRIED TO MAKE US EAT KIPPERS…KIPPERS I KID YOU NOT!
The focus on these free trade agreements is bizarre. The UK already has a free trade agreement in the world’s biggest economic bloc.
To be honest half of the UK is depressed right now and it’s nothing to do with free trade agreements really. It’s due to changes in technology , a globalized world along with a focus of the UK on services and a very large income gap. A free trade agreement doesn’t mean that the US is suddenly going to build a factory in Hull. It’s not going to create employment in any of those depressed places. Those places need an end to austerity.
The UK has been banging on about free trade agreements since before the Corn Laws (for students of history )! The UK is also planning to reduce it’s corporate taxes, where is the money going to come from to replace that source of government revenue ?
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Yes, yes, we’re all quite familiar with the standard talking points.
The bottom line is that what the UK has been doing hasn’t been working. Common sense says to try a different approach.
Normally, Rowland, I would say “Stop being such a knob”, but I do agree with this comment.
The UK needs to stop being such a knob, and go back to the EU and say sorry.
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That idiot MP was holding zero % tariff fruit in his hands from South Africa.
You didn’t even click on it to read the content .
LOLZ all round.
You do know that there are other costs besides the tariff, right?