Broken arm and dreams

In January one of the kids in my class broke his arm whilst in my care. In honestly I pushed the kid - not to hurt him, but just to relate to the class that I was unhappy about what they were doing.
The kid fell and broke his arm. I then went to the parents home to appologise. After a long discussion with them (where I offered to pay compensation), they said it’s ok, and I don’t have to pay as they have medical aid.

I left it at that. My boss called me in last week and said that the parents have now gone to the cops and want NT$100,000 from me.

I am not willing to pay this ridiculous amount and said that I’d leave Taiwan if need be. My boss got very angry and shouted at me - I proceeded to walk out.

This is how I see it. If you were in a bus accident and decide to lay a claim - who do you claim from… the driver or the bus company? Of course the bus company. The bus company then deals with the driver according to the contract they have.

As far as I can see from my contract - all my boss can do is fire me.

What would be the best way forward? Any advise would be appreciated.

Get a lawyer. If they do go to the cops and you get charged, it’ll be with something a damn sight more serious than “accidental pushing.” Don’t expect your boss to stand up. He won’t be charged, although he might be sued as well as you.
You are going to need professional help on this.
You broke a child’s arm. Think about it.

You can probably negotiate this figure down. If they do go to the cops and they press criminal charges, you may well get deported. I’d also advise dealing with the parents directly if possible.

And get a lawyer to review the settlement agreement. Do NOT sign anything you do not understand (and especially can’t read), especially any statement you make to the police even if they imply that everything will be OK of you just sign after the interview. It won’t be–they will use the statement as the basis for referring the case to the prosecutor’s office at which point you are in big trouble.

Why would they sue the bus company if the bus driver went to their home and admitted guilt, apologized for his mistake and offered to pay? Maybe it ended up costing more than they thought.

Good advice.

True. NT$100,000 doesn’t sound like a ridiculous sum at all. You’re definitely at fault. You’re definitely liable. NT$100,000 is not so much for a broken arm. In the US it might be US$100,000.

Hire a lawyer, negotiate the sum down, get a signed settlement agreement and don’t blame anyone else. You screwed up. Do what you gotta do and move on with your life.

Just noticed that “ridiculous” figure you mentioned. US$3,000. You broke a child’s arm and you think 3 big ones is “ridiculous?”
I think you escaping a jail sentence would be “ridiculous” but maybe that’s just me. I do know that if a teacher came to my door to explain that he assaulted my kid and broke his arm, he would be leaving in cuffs with a police escort.

Ya know, there are times that I read the woes of my fellow foreigners and how misunderstandings have mucked up their existance here. For that reason (misunderstandings) I am supportive. It’s usually quite confusing being in a foreign country with a different set of values then our own. But how bout I spell ito ut for you because it’s universal:

YOU PUSHED A CHILD BECAUSE YOU WERE UNHAPPY CAUSING HE/SHE TO BREAK THEIR ARM!!!

You are damn lucky that this didn’t happen back home because I’d legally sue you then hide in the bushes outside your home, with three of my friends, waiting for you to trot up the sidewalk because uhh…We wouldn’t be happy either. P.S I’d break more than just your arm.

You should pay the NT$ 100,000, kiss some Taiwanese ass, and then crawl back to your buxiban and appologize to them as well.

Unhappy so you pushed a small child? Is this your child?

Think about it, and if you have… think again.

Do any of you have NT$ 100 000 lying around? I would pay for the kids studies at my school until I make up for it. The other day a kid fell from a jungle gym while in my care and I was still crying the next day.

I thought she broke her arm, but luckily she only got some bruises…

I can’t believe this hasn’t made the newspapers…usually someone being tripped by another while getting on a bus is on the news…

[quote=“Battery9”]Do any of you have NT$ 100 000 lying around? I would pay for the kids studies at my school until I make up for it. The other day a kid fell from a jungle gym while in my care and I was still crying the next day.

I thought she broke her arm, but luckily she only got some bruises…

I can’t believe this hasn’t made the newspapers…usually someone being tripped by another while getting on a bus is on the news…[/quote]

Did ya hear that? Nope, I guess ya didn’t. The point flew right over your head.

He pushed a child out of anger. This was not a playground accident.

Weeding Compweehenshun.

I know. I said that I felt SO bad after a kid had an accident, which wasn’t directly my fault.

I can’t imagine how bad I would have felt if I had pushed her!!!

a LITTLE retarded? Speak for yourself buddy…

Why in god’s name would you do that?

[quote]- not to hurt him, but just to relate to the class that I was unhappy about what they were doing.
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As teaching methods go, this one is really not a good one.

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The kid fell and broke his arm.[/quote]

Please think about this from the parents perspective. You pushed their child, and because of that, he fell and broke his arm. I cannot even tell you in words how I would respond to this if the child were mine.

I am so trying to judge you bud, as I have lost my temper in class a few times, but I have to be very clear with you that what you did was inexcusable.

What further amazes me is that your boss didn’t fire you on the spot. Even more than that is that you seem to want to lowball a settlement.

If you are looking for advice on how to get out of paying, forget it. My advice is pay it and stop teaching children. Do private adult classes and study Chinese, or get a non teaching job. You seem not to have the temperment nor the experience IMHO for handling children in this job field.

Peace
jdsmith

Why in god’s name would you do that?

[quote]- not to hurt him, but just to relate to the class that I was unhappy about what they were doing.
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As teaching methods go, this one is really not a good one.

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The kid fell and broke his arm.[/quote]

Please think about this from the parents perspective. You pushed their child, and because of that, he fell and broke his arm. I cannot even tell you in words how I would respond to this if the child were mine.
I am so trying to judge you bud, as I have lost my temper in class a few times, but I have to be very clear with you that what you did was inexcusable.

What further amazes me is that your boss didn’t fire you on the spot. Even more than that is that you seem to want to lowball a settlement.

If you are looking for advice on how to get out of paying, forget it. My advice is pay it and stop teaching children. Do private adult classes and study Chinese, or get a non teaching job. You seem not to have the temperment nor the experience IMHO for handling children in this job field.

Peace
jdsmith[/quote]

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Pay the money.

It isn’t ridiculous considering the injury.

In a western country it would probably
be in the millions. Not in the thousands.

It seems you need to pay that money in order to learn the lesson you sorely need to learn.

I hope this is a joke.

about a year ago I tried to escort a little girl out of the class becasue she was having a royal fit. I had her gently by the wrist and she threw herself on the floor and started grabbing her wristand saying oww oww oww. I felt really bad and worried but luckily she wasnt hurt and we are constintly being video recorded so everything was ok.

If you hurt the child becasue you were angry then the school and the parents should turn it directly over to the police with out giving you a chance to pay “blood Money”. The parents should be ashamed. Either you hurt the child out of negligence and should be punished or you didnt.
Thats why cameras are so important classrooms.

I am on webcam the whole time…parents checking me out! Funny how they only see me get angry at the kids, but not how crazy their kids behave…

This incident makes me wonder just how careful one needs to be in class. I regularly do running games, 99.9% of which are fine, but ocassionally someone will trip, or bang against the whiteboard. If they broke an arm in this kind of game I am assuming it would be my responsiblity. If so, then perhaps I should stop these kind of energetic games?

I’ve had children get a few scratches and bruises, but nothing worse. Never had a complaint from a parent, as (most of us will agree) kids get bumps and scratches all the time; it’s part of growing up.

OP- Take the advice, get a lawyer and get it sorted. Don’t run away from a mess you created.

L.

[quote=“mr_tomcat2003”]In January one of the kids in my class broke his arm whilst in my care. In honestly I pushed the kid - not to hurt him, but just to relate to the class that I was unhappy about what they were doing.
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If you worked at my school I’d sue you myself.

If I was the child’s parent I would sue you, the school and old Tom Cobley as well. I’d try to make sure that your criminal record recorded that you are violent and unstable around children and should not hold any position that places you in care of children for the rest of your life!
As a teacher I’ve been sworn at, poked, bumped, verbally provoked by young people in all sorts of educational situations. Did I want to give them a quiuck sharp shove? Oh yes! But I’ve never done it. You are unsuited to teching or working with children. You need professional counselling that will help you see that pushing a small child can lead to injury and DEATH! :fume: