# Can my employer deduct NHI payments from my salary?

**URL:** <https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565>\
**Category:** Health & Fitness\
**Tags:** nhi, social\_security\
**Created:** [August 9, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565 "2018-08-09T12:57:19Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 10\
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**Author:** ![DD](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DD](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DD)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/21 "2018-08-10T03:36:49Z")

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How can one know how much company is paying to NIH (that 70%)? because in the salary receipt shows only what we r paying to NIH

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**Author:** ![the\_bear](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the_bear/32/192391_2.png) [@the\_bear](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the_bear)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/22 "2018-08-10T03:42:40Z")

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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:21am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/23 "2018-08-10T04:21:27Z")

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A warning: I don’t know Chinese, I’m not licensed to practice law in Taiwan, I can’t guarantee the reliability of any information contained in any link posted in this post, and I am not giving legal advice in this post.

Someone on the Internet asks the question, “偷偷錄下對方的口頭承諾，可以當作法庭的證據嗎？” A discussion follows:

> **[偷偷錄下對方的口頭承諾，可以當作法庭的證據嗎？ - The News Lens 關鍵評論網](https://www.thenewslens.com/article/97324)**
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> 下次在拿起手機進行錄音前，先花三秒思考一下這樣的錄音證據能否使用，以免舉證不成，還吃上刑事官司。

The question asked in the article linked above doesn’t seem to be exactly the same as the one being asked in this thread about secretly recording a conversation with a person without their consent, because the circumstances of the question in the article seem to be different from the circumstances related in this thread. However, the article does seem to contain some discussion of this kind of recording. The person addressing the question appears to be a lawyer:

> **[賴佩霞律師 - 最新文章 - The News Lens 關鍵評論網](https://www.thenewslens.com/author/peilawer)**
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Concerning secretly recording a conversation: before making such a recording, probably the best course of action would be to consult personally with a lawyer licensed to practice law in Taiwan (this statement is neither meant to be an endorsement or recommendation of the lawyer linked in this post, nor is it meant to be advice against consulting with that lawyer).

I hope this helps, or at least does no harm.

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**Author:** ![WindyTown](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/22d042/32.png) [@WindyTown](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/WindyTown)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/24 "2018-08-10T04:24:58Z")

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First way - There is NHI calculator somewhere on the internet. Depending on your salary it shows you how much NHI payment is needed.

Second way - You pay 30%, from that figure out what will be 100%

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**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:25am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/25 "2018-08-10T04:25:52Z")

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You can check your premium on NHI site. If more than 30% of your premium is deducted from your salary, your company is cheating.

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**Author:** ![okonomiyaki](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/57b2e6/32.png) [@okonomiyaki](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/okonomiyaki)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/26 "2018-08-10T06:37:10Z")

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I’m unfamiliar with the measurement system in use here.

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**Author:** ![yyy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/yyy/32/12085_2.png) [@yyy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/yyy)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/27 "2018-08-10T22:16:00Z")

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Love ya Ike, but haven’t we been over this before?

[中華民國刑法](https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawContent.aspx?PCODE=C0000001)

> [@Criminal Code](#):
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> Article 315-1  
> An offense with one of the following circumstances shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than three years, short-term imprisonment, or a fine of not more than three hundred thousand yuan:
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> 1. Uses instruments or equipment without reason to peep at or eavesdrop on other’s non-public activities, speeches, talks, or the private part of the body
> 2. Uses audio recording, photographic, visual-taping, or electromagnetic means **without reason** to record other’s non-public activities, speeches, talks, or the private bodily part|
> 
> 有下列行為之一者，處三年以下有期徒刑、拘役或三十萬元以下罰金：  
> 一、無故利用工具或設備窺視、竊聽他人非公開之活動、言論、談話或身 體隱私部位者。  
> 二、 **無故** 以錄音、照相、錄影或電磁紀錄竊錄他人非公開之活動、言論、 談話或身體隱私部位者。

The article Charlie posted cites the Supreme Court’s 97年台上字第4546號刑事判決 as an example of what’s permissible: someone surreptitiously recorded his/her spouse and spouse’s partner to prove adultery, and it was deemed acceptable.

Of course, just because you have a prima facie justification to make a recording, that doesn’t mean you can engage in dirty tricks or trample on people’s privacy. (I’m just explaining, not accusing OP of anything dirty.) As the article also says, the Criminal Code isn’t the only law that (sometimes) applies.

I would say (as a layperson, not a lawyer) that posting the recording here serves no legitimate purpose because (1) not being an organ of state, we have no jurisdiction over a labor or insurance dispute, and (2) the situation was easily communicated in writing, so there was no need to expose anyone’s voiceprint to the interwebs; even if the situation could only be understood by listening to the recording, that still probably wouldn’t be enough to justify publication. That’s why I advised OP to remove it. (OP seems to have mistaken me for the Admin. I’m just a humble moderator!)

**Tl/dr:**  
Don’t be afraid to record someone when you believe it’s necessary for the protection of your rights, but be cautious about what you do after you make the recording. And for \*\*\*\*'s sake, don’t put it online unless you’re _absolutely_ sure it’s okay!

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**Author:** ![shifty](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@shifty](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/shifty)\
**Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/28 "2018-08-11T02:16:11Z")

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Absolutely illegal

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**Author:** ![WindyTown](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/22d042/32.png) [@WindyTown](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/WindyTown)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 4:23am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/29 "2018-10-08T04:23:59Z")

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> [@emjroc](#):
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> I just want some legal document to show my boss so they don’t deduct the insurance fee from my salary.

Did they deduct it after you showed them the document?

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**Author:** ![emjroc](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/e99b99/32.png) [@emjroc](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/emjroc)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 9:24am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/can-my-employer-deduct-nhi-payments-from-my-salary/171565/30 "2018-10-08T09:24:36Z")

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I quit that job, referencing Article 14 and am now working elsewhere.

All worked out well because I am getting a far higher wage than before.

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