Can someone please explain how these teaching jobbies work?

Evening all,

I am currently applying for teaching positions all over the south of Taiwan. But I am having difficulty understanding how the salaries work.

I am currently being offered the following types of jobs:

Salary – $NT50,000
Hours guaranteed from 9am – 6pm 5 days per week + 2 hours on a Saturday.
So that works out at around 40 hours per week. (They state teaching hours of around 30 hours per week)
40 hours per week X 4 weeks per month = 160 hours per month
50,000 / 160 hours = $NT312.5p/h

So how does this job compare to the evening cram school jobs which state $650p/h from 5-9pm. 5 nights per week, 5 days per week. Total = hours = 25 X $650p/h = $16250per week, X 4 = $65000per month.

Why is anyone working the above guaranteed salary jobs? Is this right? Am I missing something glaringly obvious? Can I really earn more money at an evening cram school doing 25 hours per week than if I worked all day 5 days per week?

Any insight is appreciated.

You’ll have breaks.

Still not a great offer. I guess the bosses will hold out until your tummy starts to rumble :slight_smile: .

Plus, I’m not sure that you’ll get 650 an hour M-F 5-9pm in the south of Taiwan. Good luck, though.

[quote=“tomthorne”]You’ll have breaks.

Still not a great offer. I guess the bosses will hold out until your tummy starts to rumble :slight_smile: .

Plus, I’m not sure that you’ll get 650 an hour M-F 5-9pm in the south of Taiwan. Good luck, though.[/quote]

That was one of the better offers that I have had :frowning:

One recruiter offered me $40,000per month to go to a place in the mountains called Nantou(sp)

Working everyday from 9am - 6pm.

They would help me find a place to live though :lick:

Yes, you CAN make more for fewer hours at a buxiban. But everything has two sides.

And a salary doesn’t really exist in Taiwan. What they mean is, even if you don’t work x number of hours in a month, you’ll get paid as if you did–unless you were late a few minutes, or took a day off because you were sick, or if the scientists find another ring around Uranis. They will tell you that there are all kinds of bonuses, too, and that they’re performance based–so you’ll never be good enough to earn them. Blah, blah.

The buxiban will find that it can’t keep the same number of hours for you–not enough students, owner ran away with some money, whatever. Maybe they loved you last month, but then some parents lost their jobs and took their kids home, so this month they have to replace you with a blondy.

People take different kinds of jobs for different reasons. Some have other things going on and need the day time hours.

Go with whatever little piece of hell is easier for you to swallow.

You have to let your boss know that ‘scientists have found another ring around Uranus’ to get the day off. It’s called ‘Kissing Ass’.

Bosses is all the same.

[quote=“Milkybar_Kid”]
So how does this job compare to the evening cram school jobs which state $650p/h from 5-9pm. 5 nights per week, 5 days per week. Total = hours = 25 X $650p/h = $16250per week, X 4 = $65000per month.

Why is anyone working the above guaranteed salary jobs? Is this right? Am I missing something glaringly obvious? Can I really earn more money at an evening cram school doing 25 hours per week than if I worked all day 5 days per week?

Any insight is appreciated.[/quote]

I’ve got some insight. Check your math.

[quote=“Eros”][quote=“Milkybar_Kid”]
So how does this job compare to the evening cram school jobs which state $650p/h from 5-9pm. 5 nights per week, 5 days per week. Total = hours = 25 X $650p/h = $16250per week, X 4 = $65000per month.

Why is anyone working the above guaranteed salary jobs? Is this right? Am I missing something glaringly obvious? Can I really earn more money at an evening cram school doing 25 hours per week than if I worked all day 5 days per week?

Any insight is appreciated.[/quote]

I’ve got some insight. Check your math.[/quote]

Ooops :blush:

I wrote that really quickly before heading out for dinner.

What I should have said is $650p/h X 4 hours per day = $2600 per day.

$2600 X 5 days in 1 week = $13000 per week.

$13000 per week X 4 weeks to make a month = $52000per month.

Eitherway it is still more money for less work than the full-time salaried job.

Do these Buxiban jobs make you go in early for prep time? Or when they say “working hours = 20 per week” do they mean that they expect 20 hours of teaching from you and thats it - “your done for the week son, off you go and enjoy your weekend”?

I am still at a loss as to how I can make the most money with the least amount of hours and enjoy a good life here in Taiwan.

said young Luke to Yoda.

Housecat’s tag about little piece of “paradise” is right on the money.

Be wary of the guaranteed hours/salary schtick. Especially when you are in another country applying for jobs here. There’s a dude I know who applied for and signed a contract at a school while still overseas and now he is right f’ed. Here is why;

a) The school offered blah blah hours at bullshit pay per month and he ends up doing more than the stated hours at school. This equates to no free time.

b) The school got him an ARC and holds that plus the contract over his head like a gallows. They told him he was shit-canned and had a month to scram. He said okee-dokee and found a sweet, higher paying gig elsewhere that was set to start after his final day at shite school. Shite school couldn’t find another sucker from overseas to fall into their trap so they said, “Dude you can’t leave because, you see, we have this contract and your ARC all nice and sharp above your neck.”

c) They offered “free” accommodation as bait as well. He thought, “sweet la! no worries for me” turns out he had to live with 2 other foreign slobs. He had also stated that he wanted to bring his famdam over to stay and was given the go ahead. Said famdam living in “free” apartment ended up being the reason he was shown the door because, according to dude, they were too clean and put unwelcome pressure on foreign slobs to keep the place clean.

d) Shite school offered a “free” scooter too. It’s a 50cc that is shared by the tenants of “free” apartment. You can imagine the scenario.

e) The one or two times a month he isn’t teaching, taking part in “volunteer” clown acts on the weekends or just plain bagged he goes out with buxiban teachers where he hears about the lazy lifestyle, mondo free time and higher pay. Suffice to say, Dude doesn’t go out much.

f) Lastly, shite school set him up with a mobile phone also. Dragonlady, his fake japanese boss, monitors his calls somehow.

You can get the picture of how these types of arrangements can pan out. It sure looked good to him when he got his stupid little calculator out and ran the numbers around his noggin. Now he is right f’ed with a family to support, no free time and shitbag boss gloating about her power.

Do your research and don’t take the lazy/easy way when deciding to come over here. The dead dog of advice has been kicked to dust on this forum which is, if you’re serious: get a plane ticket/visa/cushion of cash and pound pavement. I followed the advice and am damned glad I did. While hunting for jobs after I landed I had gone to the above school to drop off my CV and show my face. I had a contract and pen slithered across the desk at me as soon as I sat down but luckily I made contacts with other foreigners and knew the possibilities at buxibans for pay and benefits. Plus, I spent 5 minutes talking to the hopeless wreck who was the current teacher at that time and could tell by the look in his eye that the place was shit, working in a daycare has never been a dream of mine either.

p.s. The school is in the south of Taiwan and is highly regarded in the community.

p.p.s. 1000 bucks u.s./cdn (roughly 30 000nt) is a lot of money for starting out cash. If you are looking for jobs in the south of Taiwan go to yahoo groups - Kaohsiung Living. There is always someone posting about room-mates needed and the odd teacher wanted post.

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Having a salaried contract is good because (in theory at least) you have guaranteed hours but you’ll have free time that you have to spend at work.

Being paid hourly is better imo but only at the right school. Some schools just don’t have enough hours to give you so you might be working 15 hrs/wk and waiting for new classes.

I wouldn’t expect to be paid 650NT/hr. I’m hoping with a yr of experience I’ll be making more than 600NT/hr.

Some schools expect you to do prep (maybe 30 mins for a 2 hr class). My current school does and I don’t know how I would teach a class w/o making a lesson plan and making any handouts or activities needed. Some schools will also expect you to do HW or quiz grading.

A 9-6pm job is probably at a kindy. These are illegal and if you get caught you’ll be deported. But a lot of teachers teach kindy.

A school that only has classes from 5-9 might make it difficult to work 20hrs/wk since you would need to have every available timeslot filled. So this is how you end up teaching 15 hrs/wk.

said young Luke to Yoda.[/quote]

Indeed. If anyone knows the answer to this question please let me know.

[quote=“Milkybar_Kid”]Salary – $NT50,000
Hours guaranteed from 9am – 6pm 5 days per week + 2 hours on a Saturday.
So that works out at around 40 hours per week. (They state teaching hours of around 30 hours per week)
40 hours per week X 4 weeks per month = 160 hours per month
50,000 / 160 hours = $NT312.5p/h
[/quote]
That seems quite low:

Hours of work (given 1 hour off for lunch) = 42 per week 52/12 = 182 per month.
Teaching hours = 30
52/12=130 a month * 600$ = 78,000
Office hours 52/month * 150$ per hour = 7,800
Total before tax comes to 85,600

When you work it out clearly, 50,000 is a rip off.
Further, the numbers I used, 600$ per hour, and 150$ per hour, are low.

I would disagree that 600NT and 150NT are low. 600NT seems to be the standard for an inexperienced teacher. And most don’t get paid anything for office hours as far as I know. I think I’ve seen similar contracts (I think 25 teaching hours/wk) that were getting paid 60,000 NT/mo though. And the one sneaky thing about salaried is that there are 2-3 extra days in the 5th week. So hourly employees get 13 - 4 wk paychecks (or the 4 wks are combined with other paydays) while the monthly contract gets 12 paychecks. tbh I would turn this down. All you need is 20 hrs/wk to equal this (13 - 48K paychecks). And you don’t need to spend so many hours at work doing nothing in addition to two infuriating hours on Saturdays when you could be traveling in Taiwan.

said young Luke to Yoda.[/quote]

Indeed. If anyone knows the answer to this question please let me know.[/quote]

I am not (yet?) in the English teaching profession, but these posts do amuse and interest me for some reason I can’t understand…