Character definition, description, and the fine art of derision

What is it about your background/foreground that makes it impossible for you to describe one of your ‘ideological rivals’ without loading it up with pejorative descriptors? These must be the most extreme curses in your lexicon.

What is it about your background/foreground that makes it impossible for you to describe one of your ‘ideological rivals’ without loading it up with pejorative descriptors? These must be the most extreme curses in your lexicon.[/quote]
My money’s on a fundamental lack of respect.

Justin Trudeau told an interesting story at Pierre’s funeral, about trying to please the old man by making a silly, childish joke at the expense of Joe Clark. Earned him a rebuke, “Never denigrate the individual,” and an introduction to the man – and family – who had been the butt of Justin’s joke. I think that’s more than just classy. It’s healthy: politically, socially, intellectually, personally.

Right. Chewy’s the only person on the planet who does that. :unamused:

C’mon, guys. Lots of people here on F.com do the same. Why single out Chewy?

Right. Chewy’s the only person on the planet who does that. :unamused:

C’mon, guys. Lots of people here on F.com do the same. Why single out Chewy?[/quote]

Because Chewy spoils the leftie circle jerk that the mods got going?

Who said he was the only one? Chris refers to ideological rivals with disdain and derision about as often. I’ve responded to him in like manner.
He hasn’t been ‘singled out’; a post has been responded to.

Well yeah…he’s got that going for him.

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Justin Trudeau told an interesting story at Pierre’s funeral, about trying to please the old man by making a silly, childish joke at the expense of Joe Clark. Earned him a rebuke, “Never denigrate the individual,” and an introduction to the man – and family – who had been the butt of Justin’s joke. I think that’s more than just classy. It’s healthy: politically, socially, intellectually, personally.[/quote]

Jaboney, I’ve heard this story many times (I think Justin mentioned it at the funeral and during a recent interview with CTV), and to me it’s fluff. Did Pierre actually practice what he preached? Ever hear about him giving the finger to voters in Salmon Arm during a pitstop there in the early 80s? What about his rude comments to Rene Levesque (‘but can you write’?) when the latter was a reporter in the 50s [comments were made at a private function).

That’s why so many people despise Trudeau to this day (even though he is dead) and don’t have a lot of respect for his much less capable sons. Why? The pure hypocrisy and sense of entitlement.

Sure, the Joe Clark story sounds nice to the foreign media and mindless dilettantes in Ottawa, but did Trudeau show arrogance towards and denigrate the individual? Sure, he did. In other words, he was a bonafide hypocrite. Nice to Joe on Parliament Hill but very rude to public people or commoners (whether it was fingering nameless voters in public in Salmon Arm or insulting the writing abilities of a famous reporter at a private party who later become a public figure). :laughing: Pretty elitist don’t ya think? :smiley: In my opinion, it should be the exact opposite. A public person should take no prisoners when it comes to his/her opponents(politics is a blood sport) but always be patient, polite, and transparent with the public. After all, they pay the salaries of politicians and the political hacks.

Back to the boats and the Canadian on board. So, if someone is a Castro-loving union-supporting naieve activist protesting Israel and Colombia (as the Rabble story suggests–Rabble being a left of centre site) but yet “hitching a ride on the water to Gaza” with people who think nothing of mob and group violence, not to mention these same activists supporting similar regimes with similar human rights violations (e.g. Cuba), it is not fair to call them what they are? They are on a boat engaging in aggressive action, they support regimes that have taken similar aggressive action against opponents, they make the first move against the Israelis, and then criticize the response? Unbelievable. Fair game IMHO to call them leftists and Cuba supporters and mention the interesting link between Western liberal activists and Islamic fascism.

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urodacus, what about some of your responses/statements to people in the last month? Is this the Queen’s English?: :laughing: :laughing: Why go after my colorful language when describing political opponents when you do the same thing? Again, it’s the hypocrisy issue folks as Tigerman suggests in a previous post!

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someone should tell the KMT to fuck off back to China. What are they doing in OUR country?[/quote]

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That’s just preposterous. Absolutely par for the course, though. And what’s worse, they go on and on chanting their mantra that they are ‘fair and balanced’, as if saying a lie over and over somehow makes it the truth.

Simply mindblowing… and scary to think that many of their devotees actually can’t see past the tripe, and choose to rely on Fox’s view of the world to inform their own. The worst thing is that they then go on to elect some of the most powerful people in the world.

Murdoch is a genuine prick.[/quote]

Only when they deserve it.

The title of this thread promised a lot more than it, the thread, is delivering.

Typical liberal…over promising and under delivering.

Right. Chewy’s the only person on the planet who does that. :unamused:

C’mon, guys. Lots of people here on F.com do the same. Why single out Chewy?[/quote]

Because Chewy spoils the leftie circle jerk that the mods got going?[/quote]

Yep.

I’d argue that the moderators on a forum have to be fair, and that in general, us lefties are more even-handed than right wingnuts. We are always criticizing ourselves and our team, we look for MSM sources for our references as opposed to The Nation or Mother Jones or something, and we’re more likely to admit being wrong, that’s not to say that some of the conservative or libertarian posters here aren’t even-handed, or that some of the mods aren’t left-leaning, it’s just a tendency. Shit even MM’s got a little of the old-time religion in him, doesn’t he? Doesn’t (often) stand in the way of him being even handed.

This sentence is completely accurate though. :laughing: If you go and read this statement in the orginal context, I was referring to Victoria [Canada]activist Kevin Neish who was aboard the Gaza flotilla. Neish is a leftist dockworker who returned home this week to people waving PLO flags and shouting insults to Israel.

Neish’s family obviously loves Cuba and even attended a union conference with Fidel. Strong family support for a thuggish regime, but problems with a democracy that was acting in self defense? Such a radical position IMHO.

And it’s not as if such an activist was the first Canadian leftist activist or politician stirring up trouble over there in Gaza. Leftist NDP Jewel Thief Svend Robinson has a history in the region, doesn’t he? :roflmao: Perhaps, he was only searching for lost treasure though. :roflmao:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svend_Robinson

Last of all, the troubing anti-Semitism in Canada during the Chretien years. Thankful, Harper has reversed this [actually I’ll be bipartisan and say it really started under Martin] and relations between the two countries are better than ever.

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I accept your point.

The heck is this about Castro being thuggish while we’ve got thugs about 100 times their size right next door to us here? The whole Cuban embargo crap is all part of the Cuban refugee community’s political power, and has nothing to do with reality - I’ve read some very reasoned articles about how the mess they’ve caused is the biggest reason Castro had to turn to the Soviet Union for help in the first place. Certainly initially in the Cuban Communist struggle, they were on the side of righteousness, compared to Fulgencio Batista and his real thugs. Same shit we did in Iran, support the thugs until some communists come in, oppose the moderate communists, drive them underground or radicalize them, then get another even worse regime. Same with Chile too maybe? El Salvador and Honduras? What a shitty foreign policy we practiced in the name of “democracy and stability” (and continue to do so - you think Saudi Arabia isn’t already biting us in the ass? Iraq?)

Cuban Communism was never 1/10 as bad as Maoist and current shit going on next door, with the possible exception of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Hey, if you want to see how to really get the language of derision right, you can’t go much further than Australia’s Labor Prime Minister. There was Keating a few years ago who, in 1993, famously called Mahathir (Malaysian PM, and author of Anwar’s many trials for ‘sodomy’) a “recalcitrant”, which in and of itself is almost worthy of a medal. Syed Hamid Albar, Malaysia’s pugnacious Foreign Minister’s best comeback was to belatedly return the compliment and label John Howard “recalcitrant” in 2002. Pissweak!

Most recently Kevin Rudd, that polished diplomat who honed his skills in Beijing and addressed the Peking University in Mandarin on his first state overseas trip, has made his fair share of choice derisory comments too.

As an article on ABC online informs us today:

Amid a flurry of bad opinion polls Mr Rudd is having to fend off questions about his anger after journalist David Marr’s essay in this month’s Quarterly Essay unleashed on the Prime Minister.

It reveals that during tense negotiations at the Copenhagen climate summit, Mr Rudd launched into a tirade against the Chinese, who he believed were trying to kill the deal.

The essay claims Mr Rudd told a group of journalists and aides: “Those Chinese f*ers are trying to rat-fk us.”

:bravo: :bravo:

I couldn’t have written a better letter myself. Pro-Israel viewpoints from a Canadian, class struggle populism, bashing the sheltered suburban union-supporting pro-Hamas supporters that permeate enclaves of privilege such as Oak Bay or Rosedale. :bravo: :bravo: This gent can write!!!

It’s a frickin opinion piece and entirely anecdotal. Tarring “socialists” and “peace activists” with a racist brush, using terms like “Kevin Neish type activist” et al. It’s a total fluff venting piece, hardly quality writing or derision. CC you’re usually better than this with your citations.