Children on scooters: video and discussion about video

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All these people carrying children on the scooter… there’s obviously something wrong with it, even more if the kids do not wear helmet, which is the case most of the times. And I always think “hey, I’ve seen many accidents but never one involving these schoolbus-scooter”.

Well, yesterday I saw one in Banqiao. It’s not that it makes me happy, but it demonstrates what I think: they can try to ride as careful as possible, but it is not a good idea to carry children that age… without protection.

At least in the case the stupid mother’s kid didn’t end up with major injuries, or I think so.

Here’s the link: youtube.com/watch?v=p1kC63rNyxA

I hope that some of the retards who do this have the chance of watching the video and learn something.

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The sad fact is that kids have and do die riding scoots. With or without helmets. Its not safe to carry anyone on a scoot. ITs not safe to BE on a scoot for anyone period.

tommy525 - Anti Scoot Society (ASS…yes its YOURS we are trying to save)

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[quote=“tommy525”]The sad fact is that kids have and do die riding scoots. With or without helmets. Its not safe to carry anyone on a scoot. ITs not safe to BE on a scoot for anyone period.

tommy525 - Anti Scoot Society (ASS…yes its YOURS we are trying to save)[/quote]

Everything implies some risks. Now, the degree of of it can be really different. I don’t get why people here do not use helmets. I don’t like also that they use scooters as cars, but I also understand that it’s the way they learnt to do things here…

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[quote=“jesus80”][quote=“tommy525”]The sad fact is that kids have and do die riding scoots. With or without helmets. Its not safe to carry anyone on a scoot. ITs not safe to BE on a scoot for anyone period.

tommy525 - Anti Scoot Society (ASS…yes its YOURS we are trying to save)[/quote]

Everything implies some risks. Now, the degree of of it can be really different. I don’t get why people here do not use helmets. I don’t like also that they use scooters as cars, but I also understand that it’s the way they learnt to do things here…[/quote]

Yes, correct. Scoots are needed by many. At least use a helmet and practice safe riding to minimize risks.

I myself rode one in Taiwan for 12,000 KM over a few years and I don’t want to do it again. Luckily only mishap was to ride into some drunk’s car door when he suddenly opened it into traffic. But I do fear for my life riding one of those in Taiwan.

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[quote=“tommy525”][quote=“jesus80”][quote=“tommy525”]The sad fact is that kids have and do die riding scoots. With or without helmets. Its not safe to carry anyone on a scoot. ITs not safe to BE on a scoot for anyone period.

tommy525 - Anti Scoot Society (ASS…yes its YOURS we are trying to save)[/quote]

Everything implies some risks. Now, the degree of of it can be really different. I don’t get why people here do not use helmets. I don’t like also that they use scooters as cars, but I also understand that it’s the way they learnt to do things here…[/quote]

Yes, correct. Scoots are needed by many. At least use a helmet and practice safe riding to minimize risks.

I myself rode one in Taiwan for 12,000 KM over a few years and I don’t want to do it again. Luckily only mishap was to ride into some drunk’s car door when he suddenly opened it into traffic. But I do fear for my life riding one of those in Taiwan.[/quote]

I have done almost three times that amount xD, and I can’t quit. I’m aware of Taiwan’s roads’ dangers, but I can’t quit. I’m indeed afraid that even though I already had several accidents, the worts is still to come… but I can’t quit. At least I think that now I take curves a little bit less recklessly, and I have developed like a sixth sense for smelling the danger…

However, and back to the topic. I really have thought a lot about this type of accidents. I never so one, but I think that the son (daughter?) of that bitch was lucky. I’ve seen other times old folks bleeding like slaughtered pigs over the road, with his ridiculous crappy egg shell helmet laying somewhere over the road, but the child wasn’t injured, or not visibly, so he (she) was lucky. This could have ended up in a very different way. Now, is that idiot going to keep riding with her kids like that? how about the people who saw it? will it change anything?

I never saw this before, and I’m not sure about statistics, but I’d really like to know if this happens every now and then, as it would be natural…

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How do you know the helmet didn’t fly off?

And video taping an accident scene? :s

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I’ve never been on a scooter. It’s not that I don’t trust myself to be safe because I definitely would be. My problem is I don’t trust other people not to be idiots and kill me in the process. It’s definitely a shit load more expensive to drive in Taiwan, and it’s massively inconvenient, but in the end being safe is worth it. If you absolutely have to ride a scooter, it goes without saying people should be wearing helmets and riding as safe as humanly possible. These streets can be deadly…

And yeah, video taping an accident? Not cool my friend :no-no:

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[quote=“rodeo”]How do you know the helmet didn’t fly off?

And video taping an accident scene? :s[/quote]

Well, I guess that the kid wasn’t wearing any helmet because I only saw ONE helmet and normally the adult wears it but kids don’t.

Now, what’s the problem of recording this? that people are going to see that shit happens? so… what’s your point?

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[quote=“BrentGolf”]
And yeah, video taping an accident? Not cool my friend :no-no:[/quote]

I would love you to explain me why it’s not cool.

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[quote=“jesus80”][quote=“rodeo”]How do you know the helmet didn’t fly off?

And video taping an accident scene? :s[/quote]

Well, I guess that the kid wasn’t wearing any helmet because I only saw ONE helmet and normally the adult wears it but kids don’t.
[/quote]
So because you didn’t see a helmet, it wasn’t there. Riiight.

Because it’s an incredible intrusion on someone feeling pain and suffering. How many times have you watched it? [quote=“jesus80”][quote=“BrentGolf”]
And yeah, video taping an accident? Not cool my friend :no-no:[/quote]

I would love you to explain me why it’s not cool.[/quote]
How many times have you watched it?

That. :s

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[quote=“rodeo”][quote=“jesus80”][quote=“rodeo”]How do you know the helmet didn’t fly off?

And video taping an accident scene? :s[/quote]

Well, I guess that the kid wasn’t wearing any helmet because I only saw ONE helmet and normally the adult wears it but kids don’t.
[/quote]
So because you didn’t see a helmet, it wasn’t there. Riiight.

Exactly, because I have passed like two times in front of the accident and the speed of the vehicles was slow so the helmet, if there were any, should be there, like the two others. Besides, most of the kids do not wear helmet, so I t¡would say that it’s quite unlikely that the kid was wearing one. You could also say that how can I know that the kid was in the scooter because I didn’t see the accident. The kid could have just taken there by his father, for example. Is it possible? yes. But pretty unlikely. Same with the helmet.

Because it’s an incredible intrusion on someone feeling pain and suffering. How many times have you watched it? [quote=“jesus80”][quote=“BrentGolf”]
And yeah, video taping an accident? Not cool my friend :no-no:[/quote]

I would love you to explain me why it’s not cool.[/quote]
How many times have you watched it?

That. :s[/quote]

I have watched the video three times in total. So what? No matter if I never watchedit or I watched it 20 times, the video is what it is: graphic information of an event that could help to a) depict how things are here and b)warn people about the danger of their reckless behavior. It doesn’t have very explicit contents, and I don’t interview and force them to speak and cry for a morbid audience.

So again, what is it that makes the video so wrong? because I don’t see it. People are allowed to record things and people on the streets, and I’m not showing any private thing. I’m showing how things can go wrong when you behave reckless.

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Those people always think that they are driving (slow) safe, but the danger comes from others which they have no control over.

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[quote=“rodeo”][quote=“jesus80”][quote=“rodeo”]How do you know the helmet didn’t fly off?

And video taping an accident scene? :s[/quote]

Well, I guess that the kid wasn’t wearing any helmet because I only saw ONE helmet and normally the adult wears it but kids don’t.
[/quote]
So because you didn’t see a helmet, it wasn’t there. Riiight.

[/quote]

And even when the kid was wearing a helmet, it wasn’t secured or the wrong kind.

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[quote=“Belgian Pie”]Those people always think that they are driving (slow) safe, but the danger comes from others which they have no control over.

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You made a point, but there’s also something else: traffic in Taiwan is so… dense. The reason because this traffic is “sustainable” is because these small vehicles can be really easy to handle and can change direction very quickly. Now, what happens with scooters loaded with children and crap like ovens, boxes, sacks of vegetables and so? that you can not handle it as well as you are sooner or later going to need.

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Well to each his own of course. If you’re comfortable video taping other peoples pain and posting it on a public website that’s fine I guess, it’s your choice. Personally I wouldn’t appreciate picking myself and my loved ones up after a serious accident only to see some dude off to the side video taping us with plans to share our blood and tears with the public. As I wouldn’t appreciate it done to me, I wouldn’t do it to someone else. You know, Matthew 7:12, the golden rule as stated by someone you are probably familiar with ( hint hint, your posting name ) Besides, it’s not like your video added anything we couldn’t have already understood perfectly well with text only. But again to each his own. No law against video taping accident scenes. I find it inappropriate, but that’s just me I guess…

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Well to each his own of course. If you’re comfortable video taping other peoples pain and posting it on a public website that’s fine I guess, it’s your choice. Personally I wouldn’t appreciate picking myself and my loved ones up after a serious accident only to see some dude off to the side video taping us with plans to share our blood and tears with the public. As I wouldn’t appreciate it done to me, I wouldn’t do it to someone else. You know, Matthew 7:12, the golden rule as stated by someone you are probably familiar with ( hint hint, your posting name ) Besides, it’s not like your video added anything we couldn’t have already understood perfectly well with text only. But again to each his own. No law against video taping accident scenes. I find it inappropriate, but that’s just me I guess…[/quote]

Ok, let’s put it this way: I have uploaded many videos to youtube about riding in Taiwan. This video shows something really Taiwanese about riding scooters, which fits perfectly my subject, right? This video doesn’t show any blood although, hopefully, can make people see and FEEL what logic seems to fail to tell them. Which could be really great, don’t you think so?

I still don’t see any problem with the video. Indeed, I’m happy to have captured these images. Not happy with this shit happening, though. But… this is about the best I can do on my own for fighting it.

I’m a fuckin’ hero.

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Is so contradictory, that you are mean to buckle up in the back seat of a car if you don’t want to die or get a ticket, but on a scooter obviously you are trying to get your self and your children killed so go ahead.

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I have seen entire families - mother, father and two children - all except the parents without a helmet cruising around on a scooter in rush hour traffic. These people should not have children. They should get their buttocks whipped Singapore style and the children be given for adoption to infertile couples who can afford a car or take the MRT, gay adoption is fine too. Anything but slipper wearing hicks on scooters!

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ignorance and to a lesser degree arrogance is to blame. lots wrong here, and lots of bad things happen. rural Taiwan sees many kids driving scooters, with parents blessing. even the cops tend not to care. even the cops that do care and give tickets to said kids driving, they are still allowed to drive said scooter home.

14 year old kids driving around helmet less and cops tend not to give tickets unless there is some retarded reason to do so (horn sounds, lights, general douche bag look to scooter etc). once ticket is given, kids are sent on their way to drive away, still without license or helmet.

One can point fingers all we want at bad choices/parenting, but if the government doesn’t even care, why would the people who don’t know better?

i cant count the amount of time is have seen kids, even babies, accidentally set off the scooter while parents left it on and ignored their kids on scooters.

many here may not be able to directly help the situation, but ALL teachers are in a prime position to set in motion independent thought amongst the youngins for road safety.

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While the idea of filming accidents seems ghoulish and intrusive, I think most people - not just Taiwanese people - simply do not get how dangerous motor vehicles are. Nor do they understand that road accidents can be absolutely horrific. The carnage that occurs on the roads is equivalent to an ongoing world war, and nobody really gives a shit: one million dead every year, and about 50 times the number of injuries, of which maybe a quarter would be considered “life-altering”, or at least very very painful.

When I did my motorcycle test, the instructors spent a good ten minutes explaining graphically what happens to flesh sliding over pavement. When I was a trainee engineer, we were treated to about half an hour of slides showing what happens to people who don’t follow safety instructions. Driving tests ought to involve more of the same. Perhaps if the people who experienced those tragedies thought their misfortune could prevent someone else’s, they might voluntarily give permission for images to be used in that way.