China blocking Google


#1

They just shut down Google - Animal farm George Orwell


#2

Do you really think that Taiwan people would like to join a country that blocks Google


#3

Use a proxy. Some links for more info:

http://www.angelfire.com/wy/waynes/

http://www.arabhackers.org/wayne/ (mirror)

http://tools.rosinstrument.com/proxy/

http://multiproxy.org/

And here’s a list of all sites banned from accessing in china: http://code.law.harvard.edu/filtering/list.html

This just goes to show how retarded the communists are.


#4

Hi jeepers - How often do you think the list gets updated


#5

Top of the page you’ll find a link that says 'Real-time testing…" follow that and it’ll take you to a page were you can input a url and check it in real-time.

Segue is not on the list :smiley:


#6

The list at the above site is, of course, not anywhere close to comprehensive. There is a very great deal that China doesn’t want its citizens – or other people, though they’re harder to control – to know about or even think anything about.

I looked through some of the media reporting on this. Much of it seems to miss an important point: Google, unlike most other search engines and directories, has caching. Unless the filtering material works better than I think it could, someone in China would, for example, be able to read things from the banned New York Times or the even more verboten Government Information Office of Taiwan by clicking not on links to the sites themselves but to Google’s cache.

Something worth noting from an op-ed piece in the L.A. Times:

[quote]While Chinese citizens are fighting against Internet censorship, the reaction from some leading international high-tech corporations has been shameful.

Since March, more than 300 businesses, government offices, universities and other organizations have signed the Public Pledge on Self-Discipline for China’s Internet Industry, drafted by the government-approved Internet Society of China. Signatories agree to refrain from “producing, posting or disseminating harmful information that may jeopardize state security and disrupt social stability.” Yahoo, an Internet pioneer that designed one of the Net’s most popular search engines, was among the first foreign companies to sign the pledge, and a visit to the Yahoo China site demonstrates the company’s compliance. Its search engine has effectively filtered out the vast majority of sites containing terms usually considered subversive by the Chinese government–including “human rights,” “Falun Gong” and “Tiananmen 1989.”

This self-censorship is shocking, especially since Yahoo is currently defending itself on freedom-of-expression grounds in a legal battle with the French government over the right of French users to access online auctions of Nazi memorabilia.[/quote]
Although the piece starts out with some utter nonsense (the saying “lies, damn lies, and statistics” comes to mind), it’s worth reading.


#7

This one seems to be accessible: http://www.google-watch.org/proxy.html. But this one wasn’t: http://cn/geocities.com. So I wonder what the point is of having a simplified Chinese version of Geocities if Chinese people can’t see it. For Singaporeans, perhaps.

(The purpose of the Google proxy is to stop Google gathering information on its users by means of its questionable cookies - Bypassing internet filters seems to be an unintended side effect. See http://www.google-watch.org/.)


#8

Oops… my bad.

The list I mentioned and posted a link to is only of a few selected sites.

A thorough one is still in the works, but should be out soon.


#9

Hmm…I just tried to get through to Google three times and failed. It happens often enough here in Taiwan. Their server is just too busy, is suppose. The point being that not being able to access a particular site does not necessarily mean that it’s being blocked.


#10

Juba, when you experience network problems, run tracert from the command line or use neotrace to help you pinpoint the problem.

Google is one those sites where if you can’t access it, you know your connection just crapped out.

Its totally unheard of Google flashing the 'Server too busy" page.


#11

Agree, never have any problems to connect to Google and I do use it nearly daily.


#12

tracert is an excelent way of telling whether your target site is blocked. First tracert the site you cannot see, then tracert a site known not to be blocked in the same region. it rapidly becomes obvious.


#13

After Google, China block Alta Vista, what else search engine is following ??


#14

Google still reaches China on this mirror http://www.alltooflat.com/geeky/elgoog/

Works, too, but you really need a mirror to see it properly.


#15

Here is the latter part of an instant messenger conversation I had this afternoon with someone from Changsha (IDs changed for privacy):

[quote]Juba: I have a question about China…
Changshagirl: you can know chinese signs.
Juba: First I will ask my question, OK?
Changshagirl: what?not concerning about politics
Changshagirl: please
Juba: We heard here that you can’t see some web sites in China e.g. www.altavista.com Is it true?
Juba: Please click on them and tell me if you can see them.
Changshagirl: yes i can’t
Juba: So maybe it is true that they are being blocked by the Chinese government.
Changshagirl: hm
Juba: Can you see this one (I don’t think you can) www.geocities.com/dvic2/
Changshagirl: you are right
Juba: Actually this is not a good time to test because everyone is checking their e-mail now as they finish work - It makes the internet go slowly.
Juba: You can try again later
Changshagirl: yes i know
Changshagirl: hm.thank you so much for telling me so much
Changshagirl: au revoir
Juba: OK, jusqu’a la prochaine fois (Until next time)
Juba: This is my web site: groups.msn.com/taiwanforeign … torscorner
Changshagirl: i can connect to it
Juba: OK, I hope you enjoy it
Juba: Shall I say “bye” now?
Changshagirl: au revoir
Juba: Au revoir.[/quote]


#16

but they cannot block metacrawlers like www.dogpile.com who search on multiple search engines at one go.
but blocking is nothing new, Singapore does it for a lot of XXX sites. :imp:


#17

Well Google is back up here in Shanghai - with Cache disabled. (well most of the time anyway)

I am not sure if this site (Segue) is having problems, or there are some experiments going on here, as it difficult to get to some pages at times.


#18

Damn. I was just about to predict that the Chinese government would overrule the decision taken by some bureaucratic unit to block the search engines, because they are too important a resource for academic and other research. Then they went and unblocked them, for that very reason, before I could make my prediction. Now how am I going to prove my powers of foresight and in-depth knowledge of Chinese culture? :cry: I’ll just have to go back to predicting earthquakes.


#19

trust mainland to take away the glory …
But thats just goes to show your " my powers of foresight and in-depth knowledge of Chinese culture " :laughing: :wink: :unamused:


#20

An interesting article in today’s New York Times on “Hacktivismo” relates directly to this topic.

“It is just one of a handful of grass-roots organizations and small companies that are uniting politically minded programmers and technologically asute dissidents to combat Internet surveillance and censorship by governments around the globe, including those of Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, Laos, Yemen and the United Arab Emirates as well as China.”

Read the full article. Registration required (free).