# China is picking quarrels and provoking trouble **URL:** \ **Category:** International Politics\ **Tags:** china, 2023, 2021, 2026, 2024, 2022, 2025\ **Created:** [November 2, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655 "2021-11-02T06:53:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![slawa](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/slawa/32/112823_2.png) [@slawa](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/slawa)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/1 "2021-11-02T06:53:13Z")
Continuing the discussion from [China sending planes and doing retarded things again? (October 2021 edition)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-sending-planes-and-doing-retarded-things-again-october-2021-edition/212833): [https://web.cw.com.tw/taiwan-strait-2021-en/](https://web.cw.com.tw/taiwan-strait-2021-en/) [https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/search?keyword=ADIZ](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/search?keyword=ADIZ) ---
**Author:** ![hansioux](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hansioux/32/253648_2.png) [@hansioux](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hansioux)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/4 "2021-11-02T03:27:59Z")
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/a-far-flung-taiwan-island-risks-triggering-a-u-s-china-clash](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/a-far-flung-taiwan-island-risks-triggering-a-u-s-china-clash) Chinese war planes have been flying into Taiwan airspace between Taiwan and the Pratas island (Dongsha island), and they have also been training troops and nurses for a nighttime island landing. If it does happen, there’s little chance to limit the fighting to just the Pratas Islands, and since the entire South China sea has been in an arms race practically for a decade, and regional a powder keg waiting to explode, the conflict might not even be limited to just Taiwan. ---
**Author:** ![hannes](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hannes/32/161150_2.png) [@hannes](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hannes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/5 "2021-11-02T03:34:00Z")
This news is almost 5 months old. Any new developments? ---
**Author:** ![hansioux](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hansioux/32/253648_2.png) [@hansioux](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hansioux)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 6:47am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/6 "2021-11-02T06:47:28Z")
> [@hannes](#): > > Any new developments? > **[China training nurses for combat situation involving island landing](https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/china-nurses-training-combat-situation-b1941048.html)** > > The nurses administered medication via an intravenous line in near darkness during night time combat scenarios at sea The nurse night time combat island landing training is new. The news is also catching on in Taiwan, as legislators recently asked the Defense Minister about it. ---
**Author:** ![hansioux](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hansioux/32/253648_2.png) [@hansioux](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hansioux)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 7:27am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/7 "2021-11-02T07:27:59Z")
> **[Taiwan defense chief offers fighting talk amid doubts about troop readiness](https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-defense-chief-troop-readiness-wall-street-journal-1643393)** > > A recent "Wall Street Journal" report into Taiwan's war preparations has sent ripples through Taiwan's social and political circles. > **[邱國正：我死則國生 勉勵東沙官兵要與島共存亡 | 政治 | 重點新聞 | 中央社 CNA](https://www.cna.com.tw/news/firstnews/202110280187.aspx)** > > 東沙島防務近年受到關注，外媒更報導中共有可能攻擊奪島。國防部長邱國正今天指出，國軍持續強化東沙防務，強化戰力，他並勉勵駐島官兵，一定要矢志與島共存亡，因為「我死則國生」，要有信心堅守到底。 “As the Minister of Defense, my determination to resist the enemy is strong until the very end.” In the legislature he said he told the soldiers stationed at Pratas to have the determination of dying to defend the island. ---
**Author:** ![hannes](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hannes/32/161150_2.png) [@hannes](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hannes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 8:43am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/8 "2021-11-02T08:43:16Z")
Here is an opinion piece saying why it would be foolish for China to take the Pratas Islands. The attempt to 隔山震虎 (“scare the tiger from another mountain”) would backfire and make their desired “holy” goal of reunification even more difficult. I think, any first military move by China would be disastrous for them politically and strategically. They probably want to wait for an incident that allows them to claim being forced into action. > **[海納百川》中共會奪取東沙島？（黃征輝） - 海納百川](https://www.chinatimes.com/opinion/20211102002299-262110?chdtv)** > > 蔡政府上台，兩岸關係迅速惡化，「中共可能奪取東沙島」的話題近兩年甚囂塵上。表面上看這對台獨有隔山震虎之效，然若細心想一想，會明白對北京而言，這是錯誤的戰略。因為一旦中共奪取東沙島，可預見的後果如下：一 ---
**Author:** ![dan2006](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/ea666f/32.png) [@dan2006](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/dan2006)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/9 "2021-11-02T17:54:46Z")
I think it would be dumb as well to take any of the islands as now you’ve got the entire world mad at you, sanctions for sure, military action possible for what, a small island. If you are going to do it, go big or go home Jinmen might be the exception if the majority of the island voted to go with China, it would be like Crimea, condemned but not actionable ---
**Author:** ![Andrew0409](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew0409/32/69821_2.png) [@Andrew0409](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew0409)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/10 "2021-11-02T20:19:42Z")
> [@dan2006](#): > > a small island To them, the existence of Taiwan is an insult to the Chinese people and symbolizes the humiliation of the fall of the last dynasty. It’s the last piece to complete their empire lost. ---
**Author:** ![KINGKONGDONK](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/kingkongdonk/32/200302_2.png) [@KINGKONGDONK](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/KINGKONGDONK)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/11 "2021-11-02T21:51:12Z")
[https://www.wsj.com/articles/taiwan-military-readiness-china-threat-us-defense-11635174187](https://www.wsj.com/articles/taiwan-military-readiness-china-threat-us-defense-11635174187) ## Poor preparation and low morale are pressing concerns; sweeping leaves and pulling weeds in basic training ---
**Author:** ![nz](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@nz](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/nz)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/12 "2021-11-02T22:36:28Z")
> [@dan2006](#): > > Jinmen might be the exception if the majority of the island voted to go with China, it would be like Crimea, condemned but not actionable The majority of people in Kinmen believe they are 金門國, going to break free of both China and Taiwan, funded entirely by Kaoliang exports. Good luck to them with the drought they’re having (crap sorghum yields this year). 60% of their water comes from China, cuz a windy island didn’t consider building a wind-powered desalination plant, geniuses that the KMT are. ---
**Author:** ![OrangeOrganics](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/orangeorganics/32/206888_2.png) [@OrangeOrganics](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OrangeOrganics)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/13 "2021-11-02T22:53:53Z")
Chinese media is talking up a lot about preparing for war this week. More than any time in last decade ---
**Author:** ![nz](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@nz](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/nz)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/14 "2021-11-02T22:58:57Z")
I don’t read Chinese (as in, from the country of China) media. I did see that Covid cases are on the rise there though. Care to share some of the CCP propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![chilifries](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/chilifries/32/182980_2.png) [@chilifries](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/chilifries)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 11:05pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/15 "2021-11-02T23:05:39Z")
Covid? War? Weather/harvest issues? National pyjama party celebration? > **[China urges families to store basic supplies in case of emergency](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59133027)** > > The advice, amid Covid lockdowns and vegetable supply concerns, sparks some panic buying. ---
**Author:** ![OrangeOrganics](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/orangeorganics/32/206888_2.png) [@OrangeOrganics](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OrangeOrganics)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/16 "2021-11-03T00:41:06Z")
They closed down Disneyland after one case. Just loads of stories saying preparing for war etc. More news on Taiwan than usual. [https://m.thepaper.cn/baijiahao\_15189037](https://m.thepaper.cn/baijiahao_15189037) One story that has been quite hot is about the best places to buy houses in Taiwan post-unification ---
**Author:** ![OrangeOrganics](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/orangeorganics/32/206888_2.png) [@OrangeOrganics](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OrangeOrganics)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/17 "2021-11-03T00:43:23Z")
China spends more efforts on internal propaganda than it does external, and it spends a lot of money and resources on both. ---
**Author:** ![afterspivak](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@afterspivak](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/afterspivak)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 12:56am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/18 "2021-11-03T00:56:47Z")
> [@Andrew0409](#): > > **To them,** the existence of Taiwan is an insult to the Chinese people and symbolizes the humiliation of the fall of the last dynasty. It’s the last piece to complete their empire lost. The fast-and-loose move here is to style “them” as Manchu imperialists. It’d be like Queen Elizabeth today styling herself as Queen Victoria and pledging an all-out effort to retake India and Pakistan and Bangladesh. That kind of move would be risible and laughed at. And so is the “we are Manchu imperialists” move made by Beijing. Guy ---
**Author:** ![OrangeOrganics](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/orangeorganics/32/206888_2.png) [@OrangeOrganics](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OrangeOrganics)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/19 "2021-11-03T01:03:42Z")
I dont think they see themselves as Manchu Imperialists. ---
**Author:** ![schwanification](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/schwanification/32/954_2.png) [@schwanification](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/schwanification)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 1:28am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/20 "2021-11-03T01:28:18Z")
This other guy says China might attack between the winter Olympics and the next American election. > **[Trump-era national security adviser sees China attacking Taiwan by 2024 |...](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4332722)** > > O'Brien says Beijing may consider period between Winter Olympics and next US presidential election | 2021-11-02 14:49:00 ---
**Author:** ![Mick](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mick/32/66311_2.png) [@Mick](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mick)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/21 "2021-11-03T01:33:56Z")
> [@hannes](#): > > Here is an opinion piece saying why it would be foolish for China to take the Pratas Islands. That’s a good article and the guy makes some good points, but doesn’t do the other column, the reasons in the plus column of taking over the Pratas, I’m not sure the plus column doesn’t outweigh his negative reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![hansioux](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hansioux/32/253648_2.png) [@hansioux](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hansioux)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655/22 "2021-11-03T01:37:05Z")
> [@OrangeOrganics](#): > > Chinese media is talking up a lot about preparing for war this week. More than any time in last decade The more internal problem XJP faces, the more they are going to drum up war in the media to divert public attention to the real issues they face. [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/china-is-picking-quarrels-and-provoking-trouble/213655.md?page=2)