China's first aircraft carrier begins sea trial

The long awaited first sea trial of China’s retrofitted, 60,000 tons, 300 meters long, ex-Soviet aircraft carrier “Varyag”, which may be renamed “Shi Lang”, has come.
http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-starts-sea-trial-033213762.html

Now, from the various comments and articles from a variety of places I’ve read leading up to this event, I pretty much know what people are going to say about this.

1.It’s a worthless piece of crap
2.It’s a waste of money
3.AMERICA IS STILL #1

So, gentlemen, let the hating begin.

It’ll be great target practice for the US Navy :smiley:

We have 11 of them by the way.

Torpedo it!

NO worries mate, its just a “floating casino” aint it? Thats what they told everyone it was gonna be when they bought the hulk from the ruskies. It just LOOKS like an aircraft carrier…honest…bought second hand from the used car (aircraft carrier) salesman over at the kremlin.

[quote=“Lili”]It’ll be great target practice for the US Navy :smiley:

We have 11 of them by the way.[/quote]

There you go, #3.

[quote=“bohica”]The long awaited first sea trial of China’s retrofitted, 60,000 tons, 300 meters long, ex-Soviet aircraft carrier “Varyag”, which may be renamed “Shi Lang” but I obviously don’t know, has come.
http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-starts-sea-trial-033213762.html

Now, from the various comments and articles from a variety of places I’ve read leading up to this event, I pretty much know what people are going to say about this.

1.It’s a worthless piece of crap
2.It’s a waste of money
3.AMERICA IS STILL #1

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So why on earth bother posting? :loco: (And by the way, the reason you’ve read #1,2 and 3 in so many different places, from so many different sources, is because it is PATENTLY true. Don’t spend your 50 cents all at once, now. Save some for a rainy day. :laughing: God, you people are SO transparent!

[quote=“sandman”]
So why on earth bother posting? :loco: (And by the way, the reason you’ve read #1,2 and 3 in so many different places, from so many different sources, is because it is PATENTLY true. Don’t spend your 50 cents all at once, now. Save some for a rainy day. :laughing: God, you people are SO transparent![/quote]

Hey look, the very first post I made on this forum was about why there aren’t any 50 cent people here. So no, I’m not getting 50 cents. And frankly, I think it’s ridiculous I even have to deny being a 50 cent’ er.

And yeah, I’d like a good discussion about the Chinese carrier too. I think it’s pretty obvious where I come out on this. Why is it okay for countries like India, Brazil, and Thailand (yes, friggin Thailand), to have carrier, but not China? China is only like the second largest economy in the world now. The question I want to ask is, what took so long? It’s the last BRIC country to have a carrier. With China’s stature (large economy, permanent UN security council member), I think it should have had a carrier years ago.

And what do people think about naming the ship “Shi Lang”(which is speculative by the way)? I’ve heard that some people in Taiwan don’t like it too much.

[quote=“bohica”][quote=“Lili”]It’ll be great target practice for the US Navy :smiley:

We have 11 of them by the way.[/quote]

There you go, #3.[/quote]
Its true…

Most American children have been on at least one air craft carriers that we just keep in our cities for fun. :discodance: Arguably making most 14 year old Americans more experienced with the things than Chinese engineers :roflmao:
I’ve been on two myself :smiley:

Besides, it will be great target practice for someone. The US had to send the Kennedy (I think?) to the East China Sea to deal with those DPRK bastards. If China’s got its own, by all means send it up to be target practice for the comrades.

Hope they did a better job on the boat than they did on the high speed rail. Would make a hell of an artificial reef.

Actually, I’d like to see the Chinese break that sucker in by parking it off the coast of Somalia and picking off pirates for six months.

Hmmm…since when is China and US at war? Why would the US target the ship of a peace loving country.

[quote=“Jaboney”]Hope they did a better job on the boat than they did on the high speed rail. Would make a hell of an artificial reef.

Actually, I’d like to see the Chinese break that sucker in by parking it off the coast of Somalia and picking off pirates for six months.[/quote]
You mean make themselves useful to the international community?

…Right :roflmao:

Ah, they’ll put some cardboard planes on the deck, so everyone believes it’s operational …

A better question is why any country at all should have a carrier? Why should any country have a carrier? What’s the point?

carriers are to project a country’s power.

the US uses its carrier battle groups to be a world policeman

A better question is why any country at all should have a carrier? Why should any country have a carrier? What’s the point?[/quote]

An aircraft carrier battle group is the most potent weapon on the planet, outside of a nuclear weapon - and they are generally armed with those, too. They are great for projecting power beyond your borders and a ‘must have’ when conducting ground operations.

My understanding about this reconditioned ‘Varyag’, is that it’s more like a ‘test bed’ for helping the Chinese military learn, design and operate aircraft carriers.

I’m actually a lot more concerned about the Chinese submarine fleet. They have some VERY quiet attack submarines.

:roflmao: I hope you’re making good money posting this crap.

:roflmao: I hope you’re making good money posting this crap.[/quote]

Haven’t you heard about China’s rampant inflation? It’s 55 cents now.

Classic! :roflmao:

They are great for projecting an appearance of power, but tactically they have been obsolete for some time. They represent a massive overcapitalization of financial and personnel resources in an unwieldy unit, the extreme super-concentration of which renders them a significant matériel liability due to their susceptibility to attack. In other words, you lose one carrier and you’ve lost a couple of thousand navy personnel and several dozen aircraft, the economic cost of which runs into thousands of millions of dollars, and the military cost of which is incalculable.