China's genocide of Uighurs and news supression

These guys were sponsored by the Soviets when they broke out from the ROC, right?

You can kind of tell from the style of the statue.


I’ll give Genghis and Alexander a free pass. Perhaps more props to Alexander, since he showed respect for his enemies.

Designed by two Mongolians

It was designed by sculptor D. Erdenebileg and architect J. Enkhjargal and erected in 2008.[2]

The sculpture was erected after the Soviet withdrawal and final collapse of the Mongolian People’s Republic in 2002
The Russians, even of the USSR, were very discouraging of any Mongol glorification of Genghis Khan or other Mongol leaders- they blamed the Mongols for conquering Russia and devastating the place, resulting in Russia’s backwardness compared to the rest of Europe.

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Wonder where those guys were trained…

Anyways, following up on that massive statue led me to a NY Times article, in which this appeared:

According to Christopher P. Atwood, a professor of Central Eurasian studies at Indiana University, Bloomington, Mongolians rediscovered Genghis Khan’s role as fighter during their quest for independence in the early 20th century and swiftly reclaimed him as a national icon. In 1949, however, the Soviet Union and its minions in Mongolia began a revisionist campaign to tarnish him as a “reactionary” figure who damaged the “productive forces” during his wars of expansion. Rituals honoring his legacy were banned, and stamps adorned with his face were destroyed.

“It was impossible to treat him an as uncomplicated national hero, which is what Mongolians wanted,” said Mr. Atwood, author of the “Encyclopedia of Mongolia and the Mongol Empire.”

With its unalloyed glorification of Genghis Khan, the theme park avoids any such nuance, although tourists may come away thinking Genghis is more Mickey Mouse than Mongol, based on the mugs, hats and T-shirts emblazoned with his image that are for sale. Ms. Ganbold, however, does not see any conflict between history and marketing.

“Mongolian tradition respects our grand ancestors’ names,” she said. “To really honor him, it’s much better to use his name on only premium merchandise.”

Other Mongolians skew a bit more toward realpolitik in their devotion to Genghis Khan, even if they are happy to drink to his memory.

“He was a cruel man but he led our country to greatness,” said Toguldur Munkochir, 25, a bank teller unwinding at the Chinggis Khaan bar later that night. “If you look at Lincoln, Hitler and Julius Caesar, it’s kind of the same thing.”

Source: Genghis Khan Rules Mongolia Again, in a P.R. Campaign - The New York Times


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Funny story, but I suspect the journalists just made those quotes up.

EDIT: On second thoughts, if they’d fished around long enough, they definitely would have found somebody who’d say stuff like that.

Do note that the last “money quote” in the NT Times article linked above was from some guy at “the Chinggis Khaan bar.”

Journalism at its finest! :upside_down_face:


Seems like a bit of a crappy bar. Don’t journalists usually head for the Hilton (or equivalent) for drinks after a hard day’s making stuff up?