Another example of intolerance and backwardness of Islam.
“The cartoons, published by Massoud in December, prompted some Muslims to attack Christians. Several Christian houses were burned and several Christians were injured in the violence.” (from article)
REALLY PEOPLE!!! REALLY???
wtf
Though the same thing could (and surely did) happen just a cpl hundred yrs ago in Christian theocracies.
[quote=“Confuzius”]"
Though the same thing could (and surely did) happen just a cpl hundred yrs ago in Christian theocracies.[/quote]
Ah well, then it’s ok. 
In the distant past Christianity used to be backward and repressive. Therefore, it’s OK for Islam to be like that now. Errrr, OK.
Never said its “ok” now or was then.
Just think the Xians get on their high horses very often talkin’ bout how violent Islam is when they really shouldn’t.
Heck, its all the Jews’ fault anyway, for inventing monotheism. Or maybe that one Egyptian Pharaoh who tried to convert the nation to monotheism (before the Jews).
Either way, monotheism is kinda mean-thats all I’m sayin’
Splitter.
The point being as mentioned is that this was common in Christianity a couple of hundred years ago. Agreed, but we are not living in the 15th century.
Judaism and Christianity have moved on. Islam is still stuck in the 7th century.
That’s why the teen was jailed.
When last was someone convicted of trashing Judaism or Christianity? I can go to Israel and trash Judaism. I will not be convicted, that’s for sure.
[quote=“bigduke6”]The point being as mentioned is that this was common in Christianity a couple of hundred years ago. Agreed, but we are not living in the 15th century.
Judaism and Christianity have moved on. Islam is still stuck in the 7th century.
That’s why the teen was jailed.
When last was someone convicted of trashing Judaism or Christianity? I can go to Israel and trash Judaism. I will not be convicted, that’s for sure.[/quote]
Try to go to an Ultra Orthodox neighborhood, with a woman dressed like they do here in Taiwan and you may get stones thrown at you.
Go to the deep south of the US and start calling Jesus a ‘fag’. Lets see how long you last.
[quote=“Confuzius”][quote=“bigduke6”]The point being as mentioned is that this was common in Christianity a couple of hundred years ago. Agreed, but we are not living in the 15th century.
Judaism and Christianity have moved on. Islam is still stuck in the 7th century.
That’s why the teen was jailed.
When last was someone convicted of trashing Judaism or Christianity? I can go to Israel and trash Judaism. I will not be convicted, that’s for sure.[/quote]
Try to go to an Ultra Orthodox neighborhood, with a woman dressed like they do here in Taiwan and you may get stones thrown at you.
Go to the deep south of the US and start calling Jesus a ‘fag’. Lets see how long you last.[/quote]
Why would you call Jesus a cigarette?
Besides not all Muslims are that bad. I have two gay Muslim friends. One is called Isak (I -suk) and the other Ismail (I-smile)
Confuzius, my point is that in Israel, a Jewish state, it is not against the law if you criticize Judaism. As far as I know, it is not against the law in the deep south to call Jesus a fag.
I also know that in Israel, those crazy ultra orthodox Jews will get prosecuted if they stone someone. Not sure when they last stoned someone other than John Cleese?
They usually revert to less lethal measures like spitting, which also results in prosecution.
[quote=“bigduke6”]Confuzius, my point is that in Israel, a Jewish state, it is not against the law if you criticize Judaism. As far as I know, it is not against the law in the deep south to call Jesus a fag.
I also know that in Israel, those crazy ultra orthodox Jews will get prosecuted if they stone someone. Not sure when they last stoned someone other than John Cleese?
They usually revert to less lethal measures like spitting, which also results in prosecution.[/quote]
Youre acting as though that makes either Judaism or xianity more civil or evolved than Judaism.
However, your point proves the exact opositte. it is BECAUSE the US and Israel are not theocracies or ran by clerics. Put the US govt in the hands of the evangelicals or put Israel in the hands of the ultra orthodox and thered be death penalties all around.
The SURROUNDING SOCIETIES which Judaism and Xianity find themselves have progressed more than the SURROUNDING SOCIETIES where Islam is the big fish (ie the middle east). The societies where Judaism and Xianity are more prevelant went through the enlightenment, embrace modernity-things that are AGAINST their religions.
So its not that Judaism and Xianity have actually evolved…its that the people in power in Jewish and Xian countries have…by abandoning Judaism and Xianity!
Once secularism gains a greater foothold in the middle east and the govt isnt run by the religious people, the same thing will happen.
Maybe, maybe not. In any event, the people in Isreal and in “Christian” nations have not necessarily abandoned religion… rather, they have purposely established secular states that not only protect religious freedom, but, also protect people from religion. In some of the ME nations, Sharia is law or the goal.
[quote=“Confuzius”][quote=“bigduke6”]Confuzius, my point is that in Israel, a Jewish state, it is not against the law if you criticize Judaism. As far as I know, it is not against the law in the deep south to call Jesus a fag.
I also know that in Israel, those crazy ultra orthodox Jews will get prosecuted if they stone someone. Not sure when they last stoned someone other than John Cleese?
They usually revert to less lethal measures like spitting, which also results in prosecution.[/quote]
Youre acting as though that makes either Judaism or xianity more civil or evolved than Judaism.
However, your point proves the exact opositte. it is BECAUSE the US and Israel are not theocracies or ran by clerics. Put the US govt in the hands of the evangelicals or put Israel in the hands of the ultra orthodox and thered be death penalties all around.
The SURROUNDING SOCIETIES which Judaism and Xianity find themselves have progressed more than the SURROUNDING SOCIETIES where Islam is the big fish (ie the middle east). The societies where Judaism and Xianity are more prevelant went through the enlightenment, embrace modernity-things that are AGAINST their religions.
So its not that Judaism and Xianity have actually evolved…its that the people in power in Jewish and Xian countries have…by abandoning Judaism and Xianity!
Once secularism gains a greater foothold in the middle east and the govt isnt run by the religious people, the same thing will happen.[/quote]
Christianity and Judaism are more evolved than Islam. They are definitely more civil.
People in power have not abandoned Judaism or Christianity. They are elected officials. See how far a presidential candidate will get if he says he is abandoning Christianity.
There are plenty of religious Jews and Christians. It is just that these religions are not stuck in the dark ages.
The very nature of Islam is what is preventing it from evolving.
All indications are that, for the most part the middle east is regressing to the dark ages. Secular revolutions always end up being hijacked by Islamists, from Iran to Egypt. Once in power they never let go. They would rather murder thousands of their own people then give up power. Even Turkey is regressing.
I saw on the news that the brotherhood of peace is pushing for Sharia law in Egypt. Lovely.
Maybe, maybe not. In any event, the people in Israel and in “Christian” nations have not necessarily abandoned religion… rather, they have purposely established secular states that not only protect religious freedom, but, also protect people from religion.[/quote]
And let’s not forget these actions were taken by religious people. In the West, rights such as freedom of and from religion, separation of church and state, and a host of other liberties we take for granted, were established by profoundly religious people, predominantly Christian. Atheist writer Jacques Berlinerblau makes a good point.
Well you can’t expect everyone to be up to speed on science. There are quite a few members of this board who still believe that there’s an invisible, magic man in the sky, even when offered a much more logical alternative.
Well you can’t expect everyone to be up to speed on science. There are quite a few members of this board who still believe that there’s an invisible, magic man in the sky, even when offered a much more logical alternative.[/quote]
Well, at least heaven is one place you can travel to without a passport, unless you have other logical alternatives like maybe China.
Well you can’t expect everyone to be up to speed on science. There are quite a few members of this board who still believe that there’s an invisible, magic man in the sky, even when offered a much more logical alternative.[/quote]
The transformation of Christianity from a tool of political control (back) into an actual religion had nothing to do with scientific progress. It was more a result of social emancipation, democratic freedoms, and separation of church and state, which happened a long time before (for example) the theory of natural selection. In the UK, the defining event was the revolution of 1688. Islamic countries (and, for that matter, “Christian” countries which never escaped from under the thumb of the Church) remained backward in terms of social evolution.
I’d agree with that.
Maybe, maybe not. In any event, the people in Israel and in “Christian” nations have not necessarily abandoned religion… rather, they have purposely established secular states that not only protect religious freedom, but, also protect people from religion.[/quote]
And let’s not forget these actions were taken by religious people. In the West, rights such as freedom of and from religion, separation of church and state, and a host of other liberties we take for granted, were established by profoundly religious people, predominantly Christian. Atheist writer Jacques Berlinerblau makes a good point. [/quote]
You mean like Thomas Jefferson, the monist? (he thought the trinity was BS…look see: http://www.brunswickcounty.com/Thomas_Jefferson_and_the_Doctrine_of_the_Trinity-a-1150.html )
Or Benjamin Franklin the deist?
The personal religious convictions of the majority of the founding fathers, those who wrote the constitution and the bill of rights, were VERY far from the Christianity of their day.
So again…these wonderful freedoms and advances in society run CONTRARY to Christianity. The enlightenment put a muzzle on the vicious beast of Christian intolerance. These wonderful freedoms go against the very grain of the Christian religion (thank god for heretics!)
Where on earth do you get that idea? Individual freedom and personal responsibility is one of the core beliefs of Christianity (in fact, it’s virtually unique in that respect). The historical “intolerance” you’re speaking of was common-or-garden political repression. Nothing to do with religion of any stripe.
Where on earth do you get that idea? Individual freedom and personal responsibility is one of the core beliefs of Christianity (in fact, it’s virtually unique in that respect).[/quote]
You actually convoluted two points into 1 (I made them different colors above). Lets look at each.
Individual freedom
OK, lets look (at just a few) examples of how Christianity does NOT support individual freedom.
Matthew:
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned “with unquenchable fire.” 3:10, 12
Jesus tells his disciples to keep away from the Gentiles and Samaritans, and go only to the Israelites. 10:5-6 (clearly the Christians changed this when they needed gentile converts)
AND THE BEST!!!: “He that is not with me is against me.” 12:30 (REAL TOLERANT EH?) also in Luke 11:23
Mark:
Any city that doesn’t “receive” the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11 (also Matthew 10:14-15 in case you want another reference)
Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don’t will be damned. 16:16
Luke
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn’t sow. The parable ends with the words: “bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me.” 19:22-27 (FREEDOM?)
Ok, onto personal responsibility
Just look at the MANY verses condemning the Jews (not just the Jews in the days of Jesus, but the Jews forever and ever) for killing Jesus. (do I need to quote them? theyre easy to find). That is NOT personal responsibility as you said, as the descendants of those that crucified Jesus did nothing, only those that lived in Jesus’ day.
[quote=“finley”]
The historical “intolerance” you’re speaking of was common-or-garden political repression. Nothing to do with religion of any stripe.[/quote]
Oh geez golly, them modern, left wing Christian apologists who want to revision their religion in line with contemporary, modern, progressive values sure do like to say that. But just read the New Testament (I just provided a tiny amount of intolerant verses). Those who think Christianity promotes tolerance, acceptance, Individual freedom and personal responsibility need to go read their “good” book.