College dating with girl with no relationship experience

Many women here, well into their twenties, follow their parents’ decisions. A friend of mine (24 years old and beyond college) really wants to go for a working holiday in Australia. But her mother says no. And she obeys.

:laughing: But on a serious note though, if she wasn’t physically attractive, OP probably would have added that into his argument about why he didn’t embrace the opportunity. Instead, all he noted was that he’s hesitant due to the age gap.

I agree. OP, go for the bikini chick (who, by the way, doesn’t hold your age against you). She was interested and probably still is. A chick doesn’t go to so much trouble (curating pics, involving a friend..) unless she’s REALLY interested. And because she was REALLY interested, 2 weeks isn’t too much of a lag.

Dated a few older western girls in Taiwan in the past few years. I hate how mature they are :confused: I want a Taiwanese girl now.

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I updated the original post/topic with more details.

Why hasn’t anyone just said straight up: younger Taiwanese girls would likely not date a foreigner because their parents would be against it. To the more traditional Taiwanese parents, if you ain’t Asian, you ain’t joining the family and that’s how it is, no sugar coating. And dating to those same set of parents means eventual marriage. Thus a foreigner would not be a first choice, especially if you are not an Asian foreigner.

Traditionally you wouldn’t be joining anyway. The girl normally leaves the family and joins the husbands family. With foreigners it could be worse (they take her with them and leave the country) or they don’t follow the traditional chinese way and actually join the girl’s family (or similar).

If you’re a bit tan, you might have a disadvantage compared to blonde-haired, blue-eyed, chalk-white dudes, but being tall, non-Black, and from America you can still kill it in Asia.

why the hell did you turn down a 26 year old TW chick?

She’d be WAAAAY hotter than pretty much any Sicilian in her 20s.

And, the older they are the better n Taiwan. You actually don’t really want the under 20 year olds unless you have a severe fixation on innocent incapable virgins who need a lesson.

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OP, my observation:

College is the first time Taiwanese men and women MAYBE live out of the house. If they’re from the area, they’ll probably still live at home.

Dating in high school is really, really rare (nobody has time for it, anyway), so most college students will have a very naive approach to it. In terms of emotional maturity, college students here are probably like high school students in the US. Of course I’m only talking about in terms of relationships; people here mature in their own way, but family always plays a big role.

And since almost all Taiwanese think of anything more than a one-night-stand as a likely precursor to marriage, parental acceptance is very, very important. Basically: college kids don’t know anything about dating.

The issue with older women is that I’ve never met a Taiwanese girl who DIDN’T want to have kids before age 30.


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Go for it! But be straightforward with her, especially since…

… to set expectations (for just in case).

LOL

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By the way, it’s bad to compare a 26 year old Western woman (even if she’s ABC/CBC/etc.) to a 26 year old Taiwanese woman. So, even though you may have dated older women in the past, those experiences don’t necessarily prepare you for what may come from accepting this woman’s offer to start dating.

oh I made a typo in the beginning. The girl was 28 years old.

Anyways, I guess a high school relationship mindset is good enough. A friend told me I’m not giving the college girl enough time. I guess I’ll ask her out again next week. And then who knows what; maybe after a month we might finally hold hands…

Fly with that 28 year old and she will send you into a Tail Spin ! :smiley:

Hmm, the fact that she’s been dodging your invites to escalate things beyond just jogging together makes me doubt that it’s simply a matter of needing to “give her more time.”

She has her reasons for rejecting your advances, and that seems to be the main barrier here. If it was a matter of her actually being interested but hesitating because she is nervous about her parents/friends not approving of you being a foreigner, not being allow to date at all, or whatever, she maybe would have let you down easy instead of dodging the topic altogether.

Anyway, you never know - maybe your friend is right Bradosia, so good luck. :popcorn:

My wife. Didn’t want kids, did’t want to get married. We married last year after a lot of trying on my part (she was 30, we had been living together since 2007) and our daughter came as a bonus, anyways. Now she even agrees on a second one, maybe after 2 years.

#1: you came off as desperate. She blew you off and you hounded her. Not even naive Taiwanese girls like that (this is just advice for the future…girl blows you off…find another). So you honestly may have just totally ruined that and are reading too much into it.

If a girl hangs out with you for a half hour then “has to leave”…you either did something wrong in that half hour, or something else (not your fault) happened inside her head to bail. Either way, just move on.

#2: No other advice, except people here are generally extremely immature. So going for the older lassies is a spot on idea (they will know how to please a man too, as opposed to some virgin).

Yes to the first and maybe to the second.

Dating a classmate at your university is a bit like dating someone at your office. If you’re wise, you won’t do it unless you’re really sure that you would like an ongoing relationship with the person. Because if one side gets emotionally attached, which can happen really fast, and it doesn’t work out , or one of you you meet someone you like better, it could be very awkward in the future, as you will have to see the person around, and your situation may be a topic of conversation in your school circle.

I think the girls you’ve been approaching may have these things in mind too (if they’re wise). With persistence, you might be able to date them, but I suggest moving slowly with fellow students, if at all, to spare yourself and them the possibility of feeling trapped or awkward if it doesn’t work. If you really like the one you’ve been jogging with, keep jogging with her and don’t push her to get involved romantically too fast. I don’t think that being a friend first will preclude a future relationship in this situation, if one develops naturally and you really like each other. Don’t listen to those who tell you to stay out of the “friend zone” – that doesn’t apply in this kind of situation I don’t think. (Of course, if you can sense there is no feeling developing on her part, that is another story, but romantic feelings in college can definitely develop out of friendship.)

In my college years (part of which were spent in Taiwan), I also tried to date college girls without much success, though like you I had no trouble dating non-students and slightly older women. Once I was no longer a student myself, I found that I no longer had trouble dating college girls (although the ones I dated also tended to be more independent and were already working part-time, and living on their own).

You might also find it an easier and lighter experience to date girls from a different university than yours. Consider attending some inter-university or outside academic events or lectures. The girls won’t feel the same pressure that they do when considering whether to date a classmate.

@bradosia

How do you communicate with your classmates? In Chinese? English?
Where do you go to school? How good school is it?

There is something important to highlight. Your reputation over the years (if you plan to finish your college). You get flagged for being a ‘player’ (quite easy from Taiwanese point of view) and you won’t stand a chance with many of your female classmates in the future. Even if you are looking to be friends, they would simply ignore you (politely, of course). People talk, many people gossip. You as a foreigner are even more visible than your average classmate, be aware of it. Even if they seems like they don’t pay attention to you and your actions, they do. A lot!
Proceed only if you are really serious about her, in case you’d like to have just fun, do it outside school or your social circle. I heard on more than one occasion that they would check on ptt and google to find out more on that person they are interested (remember, reputation; nothing out of ordinary, I suppose you’ve done the same)
Some people wouldn’t even consider dating foreigner, ever. You (or anyone else for that matter) won’t change it. Don’t take it personally, it isn’t because of you (well it is, but… ).

I’m not sure how patient are you in your early 20’s, what’s best way is to just observe how things are done in college in Taiwan. Pay attention how people interact with each other, for semester or two and you’ll learn a great deal.

Just for your reference, “Sorry, I’m busy.” must be the first choice in 101 excuses. Can’t do nothing much about it, try it again month or two later (just in case, but don’t expect much). Don’t trust your insticts, they are likely wrong here (depends how often you interact with locals).

If sex is something you couldn’t be without, note that some girls in college have strict rule regarding this and won’t have sex (as in intercourse, petting should be fine) with you. Not now, not next year. Perhaps when guys graduate.

As you already realized there seems to be big difference between your college friends and that 26-year old. I wouldn’t suggest to take the easy road (her sending your biking shot should raise red warning flag already!), take your time and avoid of troubles.

Hokwongwei is spot on about them being just high-school kids (especially freshman year), if you feel you couldn’t deal with it, perhaps grad school (assuming your school has more departments) would be better choice (they are older, and more importantly some of them went for exchange programs, that makes huge difference)

“Do Taiwanese College girls take a while of knowing them for them to go on a date?”
-they do take a while, I’d take it slow, real slow, for at least 3 months! (better 6, to be on safe side); learn more about her (is she from single-sex high school? if so, you’d have to be more understanding and patient)

“Do Taiwanese girls, who have never had a boyfriend, want to date other Taiwanese guys before they ever consider a foreigner?”
-for some it might no-go, for others it may add extra consideration and time, also don’t forget many people aren’t interested in dating anyone at all! (they are in college to study, they’ve got plenty of things planned ahead and no time for silly business)

tl;dr
be patient, careful, very slow

Dude your 6’0 and a foreigner. Go to the typical foreigner loving places and get some action.

But if you must:

The trick is to get the girl alone without her friends looking around and gossiping. Get the number discreetly and you can be their “secret”. Tell her that you two can be secret and she will understand. Happened quite a few times already with girls in their early 20’s. They will get my number within 5 min then when we meet up in private they are completely different animals. Then again why fuck it up with girls in your own school. You’re of nightlife age. Go to the typical young places and live life.

LOL at the 3 months / 6 months. This isn’t high school now.

But reading from your post above. Seems like she isn’t interested. Just move on. Or just man up say I think your cute lets get dinner, see if she responds in a good way. If not lots of fish in the sea

Hey OP, things could be worse. At least you’re not in Japan where, apparently, young people in have stopped having sex and are shunning relationships altogether. #thebrightside