Touche on the UN part, but Iraq’s government was duly elected. Everyone including the major parties recognize this.
My mistake. What then do you have to say about the support that nearly all Kurdish leaders have given the US? the encouragement of Kurdish leaders to invade and remove Saddam?
[quote]Not to invade[/quote].
Well, if you are Kurdish, what do you have to say about the very active encouragement and support that nearly all of Kurdish leaders gave the US to invade and remove Saddam once and for all?
Fine. And I am sorry for those of mine, but where does that leave us?
We have found 500 tons of stockpiles that were supposed to have been destroyed per the ceasefire governing the end of Gulf War I. AND again, it was not up to us to prove that Saddam had wmds. He had to prove that he was in compliance. He never did and so, he is gone…
Now, you want us to stay? I thought you wanted us out today?
Then, you and the Kurds that you know had better have a very serious conversation with the leaders who “represent” you since they are the ones most actively encouraging the US forces to stay. Now, perhaps you begin to understand the depth of frustration that we as Americans must deal with. You do not blame your leaders for encouraging American actions and for lobbying us to stay, you blame us. That is not fair.
[quote]I lost my daughter in a US bombing raid. She was sitting at home. She was 3.
I also lost my mother in the same raid. [/quote]
I am sorry for your losses, but why is it that you blame only the Americans and not your own Kurdish leaders for encouraging and supporting the very same actions? Without the complicity and active support of the independent (in all but name) Kurdish areas, there would never have been a northern front in the invasion of Iraq. OR are you talking about bombing raids following the overthrow of Saddam?
Again, my condolences and sympathy for your losses. But what are we supposed to do and why are you blaming only us and not those who are fostering and funding the terrorism: Iran and extremist Muslim groups? Saddam gets a pass from you?
Then, I would suggest to you that you may have a very unique view among Kurds. Again, if this is all true, why are the leaders of Iraqi Kurdistan lobbying the US so strenuously first to invade and now to stay? In fact, did you know that the leaders of Iraqi Kurdistan have said to US officials that if we ever have to leave Iraq or when we want to, they want to host permanent US bases on their territory? How do you explain this?
Why are you talking to the US about this? Why not demand that your leaders stop asking us to support their goals and stay to ensure their protection. Tell your Kurdish leaders to stop asking us to stay or get involved on their behalf.
Even agencies that are vociferously anti-Bush put this at 35,000 and rising. It could be nearing 50,000 now.
I do not mean to be insensitive but yes in a way you do. It is not fair, but it was not fair when Iraq invaded Iran or Kuwait. Millions died because of Saddam. In that case, you were lucky. In the second case you were not. We have lost 2,500 soldiers because of the actions of Iraq and Saddam not including those who died during the First Gulf War. Do you think that this means nothing to us? Do you honestly believe that if we had just left Saddam alone, everything would have been all right. The leaders of Iraqi Kurdistan did not and that is why they lobbied the US government so strenuously and still do to stay involved. If anyone should resent anyone, Americans should resent having to help stay to help the Kurds no?
Are you sure? And if you are, please start writing to your leaders and tell them that you want no part of US forces in Iraq or Kurdistan.
Well, if as you say you have always lived with this violence and these problems, why is British or American violence any less acceptable than that of Saddam? the Shia death squads? the Sunni insurgents? the Turkish military?
Seems that while you are obviously not a fan, most Iraqis were willing to risk their lives to vote. Despite your tragic losses, that does not give you the right to take that away from them.
Good point. Touche. But I still have to ask in total confusion why you are so anti-America but you give a pass to the leaders of Iraqi Kurdistan who have been so influential in getting America to do exactly what they wanted. AND this I should point out has come at a great cost to our relations with Turkey, formerly one of our best allies and most loyal friends. We have given that up to a large extent because of the help that we have extended to the leaders of Iraqi Kurdistan at their request. So I am very confused as to why then you are not screaming bloody murder about your leaders?
[quote]The major consensus is that we would prefer to do it ourselves. Things are such a muddle with corrupt, terrorist but US trained police squads with links to terrorist organisations. A terrorist infiltrated govenment, no better than that of Sadam Hussiens - especially if allowed to mature.
Perhaps leaving now and letting us fight for ourselves - like we used to, would be a good idea.[/quote]
So if violence and fighting are the norm, why not let a few more join the party since it seems to be business as usual right? So the invasion of Iraq by the US cannot be blamed for this violence since it has always been there as you say. Your biggest complaint then is that we listened to your leaders and are doing what they want us to do?