Coronavirus Open Thread 2022

Good post. Thank you.

Guy

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I think most cases are psychosomatic brought about by the fear mongering of governments and natural neurosis. That double whammy = long Covid.

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I only skimmed the paper, but it seems that it would be interesting to know how people who didn’t know they were infected (i.e., asymptomatic ones who tested seropositive later in the study) reported any lingering symptoms, when presented with the same questions without knowledge of their infection.

It doesn’t seem to mention in the paper whether the individuals knew of their infection status, but as healthcare workers who presumably needed to take tests and report symptoms it seems likely they generally did. (The study notes that “404 seronegative participants who seroconverted were excluded” - I guess this is people who caught it during the study.)

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This is Swedish specific? Or are you just pointing out things that are reported everywhere to attack Sweden’s Covid response?

It’s not like Swedes live on top of each other.

You could be onto something. Well spotted!

According to the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare, tobacco smoking causes about 100 000 cases of smoking-related diseases and 12 000 deaths per year.

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Indeed. Population density is our fall. But at least we do not have the issues from heavier viral load as in the West.

Again, compared to the old country, with one fifth of the population infected, we have 10%. As to deaths, officially, we have 4 times over the number of deaths in Taiwan…with barely the population of Taipei spread over twice the size of land.

Overweight is an issue as well as chronic diseases, which is a new trend in developing countries.

Taiwan is weird in that sense. I recently went to my cardiology checkup. I am by far the heaviest in the room, including old folk in wheelchairs. But mostly we have young men who I suspect have heart genetic conditions.

As to diabetes and folks on dialysis, the success in keeping them alive longer is biting now that they are the highest at risk.

I also wonder if the often mentioned nerve issues as a condition in recent young folk deaths due to COVID-19 refers to cerebral palsy or genetic nerve diseases.

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The situation needs to be looked at as a whole. In Finland there discussion on how Sweden was right. For example we have a kids and teens that did year and a half of online school. This means less social interactions and much worse learning results.

Also a lot of medical appointments and general care was pushed back. Including mental health care. This is all showing now with issues all around.

I am sure in a few years will get proper research on what the best approach would have been but its definitely not as simple as just looking at the amount of reported Covid deaths. Sweden did really screw up in the beginning with the elderly.

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So we need some stats to show that Sweden outperformed the Finns and the Danes and Norweigians in these regards to offset their awful performance—really the worst among advanced economics except the US and the UK—in preventing infections and deaths. I’d be happy to see papers on that topic if you have access to them.

Guy

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Absence of what?

Nothing I post (in contrast to your blase, content-free dismissals of anything slightly nuanced as “nonsense”) has ever been “breezy”. My posts are so dense and verbose that nobody even reads them.

What I was pointing out is that Sweden does not appear to have that rather pronounced increase in all-cause mortality during 2021/2022 that has been remarked upon by various statisticians (and completely ignored by the press or dismissed by “fact checkers”). 2021’s raw death rate was pretty much the same as 2019, and 2022 is shaping up to be similar. In other words, public health in most countries that had a “robust” pandemic response has sustained long-term damage.

EDIT: I see @FairComment has filled in some of the most likely reasons for the aforementioned decline in public health.

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There’s already plenty of studies that have detailed the deleterious effects of unnecessary pandemic measure. The data clearly indicate that the costs have far outweighed the so-called benefits.

Taxpayers to pay, of course :slight_smile:

In the US, in just the first 4 months of 2020, it was estimated that as a result of COVID-19 measures, screenings for cancers of the breast, colon, and cervix have dropped by 94%, 86%, and 94%, respectively.

Pollution:

  • Eight billion vaccine doses have generated an additional 144,000 tonnes of waste.

Meanwhile…

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No you wouldn’t, because any papers on the topic that impact the belief system you have bought into would upset you. You’d either ignore them or try to find fault in them.

Apart from the early errors in not protecting care homes Sweden had a far from awful performance. I think it was outstanding. But, you don’t want to hear that

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You are entitled to your opinions.

I’m waiting from @Twnfinn to see any stats or studies explaining why Sweden’s path was better than its Nordic neighbours. We’ll leave aside for now the anglosaxon nations and their atrocious mismanagement of the crisis (though who knows maybe you would also rate their responses as “outstanding” too).

Guy

Sweden’s death rate during the Covid pandemic is among the lowest in Europe, despite the country refusing to impose strict lockdowns, according to new figures from the World Health Organisation.

Sweden, which was criticised in the early stages of the pandemic for resisting a mandatory lockdown, had fewer deaths per capita than much of Europe.

In 2020 and 2021, the country had an average excess death rate of 56 per 100,000 - compared to 109 in the UK, 111 in Spain, 116 in Germany and 133 in Italy.

Although Sweden fared worse than its Nordic neighbours, lower rates of obesity - a key risk factor for severe coronavirus disease - and a better-resourced healthcare system helped limit fatalities in the country.

“The lesson from Sweden is to invest in your population’s health and have less inequality,” Prof Devi Sridhar, the chairman of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, told The Telegraph.

Experts said the difference demonstrated stringent lockdowns alone did not determine success when battling Covid-19.

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As @Twnfinn carefully made clear there are many things to take into account. He seems more optimistic than I am that in the future we will have a balanced analysis. Probably because too many people have attached their beliefs with their ego and will refuse to accept that they could possibly have been wrong.

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Well sure. Having a fit population and a well-resourced health sytem helps. I don’t think anyone would disagree with this!

It doesn’t explain however how Sweden did in relation to its Nordic neighbours, which was my query to @Twnfinn .

Guy

Long Covid doesn’t affect fit people in a well-resourced health system?

Who on earth said that?

Guy

Your statement might count as some sort of misinformation. 52% of Swedish are obese or overweight. I wouldn’t exactly call that a ‘fit’ population :slight_smile:

You don’t even recall the source you posted, and which I just referenced?

Enjoy your Sunday evenings people. I plan to enjoy mine.

Guy