Coronavirus Taiwan Open - July-December 2022

You’re asserting absence here.

The economic impact of long COVID (which I understand some forumosans don’t understand) is being widely discussed, with affected people being put on disability and—surprise—not contributing to the US economy. Here’s one report from the distant era of May this year estimating the impact of in the US along at around US$2.6 trillion.

Guy

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Nice fear porn. Stuff like that will just convince people they have illnesses they don’t really have.

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My source: draws on the views of an economics prof at Harvard.

Your source: you opinion.

Forumosans can decide for themselves what is credible.

As I wrote, I am aware of views such as yours. My narrow point is that economic costs are being discussed in a wider sense than the good @Dr_Milker indicated.

Guy

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I can think of a few offhand. :sweat_smile:

They are offering their views as we speak, because of course they are.

Guy

Your source: somebody else’s opinion. The clue is in the word “estimated”. The whole COVID shitshow has been plagued by experts pulling random numbers out of their ass and claiming them to be fact. Neil Ferguson springs to mind.

15 million Americans will have long Covid? 1 in 20 people? The question arises: what’s unique about Americans that they should be in such dire straits?

I reckon someone needs to make a base rate adjustment.

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On the bright side, the only group left for them to go after (one would hope) is kids aged zero to six months*, then there will be no other excuses left and they’ll have to relax the rules?

Oh wait, by then the 5-11 year olds will need their boosters again. Never mind.

(*I actually wrote “kids aged zero to five years” there initially. I hadn’t realized they’d started vaccinating kids above six months. Insane.)

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All they’ve done in that “report” is regurgitated someone’s estimate from almost 2 years prior.

It’d be interesting if someone calculated the cost due to COVID mitigation measures themselves (people losing their jobs, going out less, exercising less, mental health problems, delayed diagnosis of the many other things that aren’t COVID). I’d bet you could come up with a similarly large number.

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The estimate quoted is from that noted leftist wacko Lawrence Summers, former lots-of-stuff including Chief Economist at the World Bank. That guy is an a&&hole, but I trust his number crunching more than assertions of absence on the internet.

Guy

I don’t know the guy, but I know that you can get lots of scary-sounding but dubious numbers by multiplying one number by the population of a country. Seems to be a common trick of governments and economists.

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Nope. Goalposts can still be moved farther. Next one after kid vaccinations: rate of fetuses showing antibodies that deal with all covid variants.

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It’s currently 50 percent of young children. I’m sure people can remember the percentage coverage goalpost movement.

Surprised I can’t find a more relevant thread to ask this question (that isn’t two months old), but what is one actually supposed to do now in Taiwan after testing positive on a rapid test?

Asking for a friend, of course. This friend, who we’ll call Andreas, tested positive tonight after coming into contact with someone on Saturday who tested positive on Sunday. Andreas is feeling mostly fine – slightly congested and occasionally headachy since Monday, but that’s about it.

What is he supposed to do next? Andreas said he saw some stuff about a EUCARE app for a video diagnosis but isn’t sure he can be bothered with that – is this a requirement, and is it worth the hassle? He plans to stay at home for 7 days and until a negative test result anyway on account of his strong sense of social responsibility, but he isn’t sure about the reporting part. Nonetheless, he might be tempted to do that if a confirmed diagnosis has some additional benefit, like getting him out of a future booster shot.

What has everyone else been doing? Thanks in advance, says Andreas. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Am I reading that app right? There’s a distinct chance I’m not because it’s all in Chinese, doesn’t allow screenshots, and posts much of the info in graphics anyway (why do Taiwanese app/website developers do this?!), but it seems you have to pay NT$100-200 (depending on the clinic) to use the app to register a positive test result? :flushed:

That can’t be correct, surely?

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If you mean ‘per capita’ it is actually a division by the population of a country (or city, region, specific group of people, etc.)

Andrew was not referring to normalization (what you call “base rate adjustment”). There’s a particular trick that the clowns-in-charge like to pull which goes like this:

  • Up to 0.15% of the population could suffer from blahblahblah!
  • 0.15% of 330 million is 500,000 people! OMG!
  • Something Must be Done to protect these vulnerable 500,000 people!

The original percentage is invariably a made-up number, not a measurement. It just so happens in this case they started off with “5%”. But it’s still a made-up number. And the population scale-up is usually invalid. The fundamental problem, though, is that people see the scary big number (which actually isn’t scary at all, on a personal level) and everyone panics. Which is the desired effect.

I seem to remember a particularly egregious example where the CECC announced that 21% of unvaccinated seniors would die of COVID. OMG, that would be 100,000 deaths! Complete and total bullshit, of course.

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I don’t. I meant what I wrote. If I had meant “per capita”, that’s what I would have written.

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I’m not exactly sure I understand this… is what they are still trying to claim (despite all of the obvious evidence to the contrary) that if the children are vaccinated with a product that was designed for a variant that isn’t really in circulation anymore and hasn’t protected anyone from getting coronavirus, that they will now be protected or that it will now give us heard immunity? And the borders can’t open until that time?

Are they still trying to say that vaccinating people will stop the spread of coronavirus?

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The CECC are prone to making outrageous and unsupported claims (including claims that the rest of the world have discovered aren’t true) but what’s interesting here is they’re making no claims at all, as far as I can tell. They’re literally just coercing people into enrolling kids into their experiment for no discernible reason.