Countdown To Iran

When are the U.S. & Israel going to bomb Iran in 2007?

  • Jan-Feb-March?
  • April-May-June?
  • July-Aug-Sept?
  • Oct-Nov-Dec?
  • Not going to happen

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As insane as it sounds, sometime in 2007 the U.S. and Israel are going to massively bomb Iran, barring the repeal of the Authorization for Use of Military Force act or Iran’s standdown from the uranium enrichment process, neither of which is likely to happen.

The only question is when is it going to happen. Now’s the time to place your bets since everyone’s ass is on the line and this is about as much input as you’re going to get in this latest Republicon gambit to make the Middle East safe for our ally Israel before the clock runs out on them in 2008.

Best of luck to everyone in the brave new future you’re about to embark on. If you thought Operation Enduring Occupation has been fun, wait until Operation Armageddon starts to pay you personal dividends in a big way next year in.

The Mothership picking you up spook?

Be aware that smoking certain substances can get you jailed and/or deported. Be careful Mr Spook.

Once again, spook brings truth down from the mountain.
He will lead us to the Promised Land!

So I take it the consensus is it’s nutty to even think about bombing Iran next year.

Anyone disagree with that statement?

I’ll put US$10.00 on October the 10th.
Its a Wednesday.

Anyone else want in the pool?

[quote=“spook”]So I take it the consensus is it’s nutty to even think about bombing Iran next year.

Anyone disagree with that statement?[/quote]

After Iraq, I think Iran is Europe’s problem.

Looking at Iran, given the difficulties involved, possible consequences, disconnect between stimulus and Administration response, plus the fifth assassination of an anti-Syrian politician and the political situation in Lebanon, I’ll put my money on a strike against Syria, sometime before February.

To paraphrase Country Joe Mcdonald.

[quote]Come on all of you Righteous folks
Uncle Sam needs your help and that’s no joke
he’s got himself in a terrible jam
way over yonder there by I-ran
put down your Books and pick up a gun
we’re gonna have a whole lot of fun

(CHORUS)
And it’s one, two, three, what are we fighting for
don’t ask me I don’t give a damn, next stop will be I-ran
And it’s five, six seven open up the pearly gates
ain’t no time to wonder why, whoopee we’re all gonna die

Come on generals, stay the course
knock those terrorists out with force
we really gave 'em a terrible smack
when we went in and trashed Saddam’s I-rack
you know that peace can only be won
when we’ve blown 'em all to kingdom come

Come on Wall Street don’t be slow
oil is up 'cause supply is low
there’s plenty good money to be made
by supplying the army with tools of the trade
let’s hope and pray that if they drop the bomb
they drop it on Teheran

Come on parents all over the land
we need your kids for our half-baked plan
if there’s not enough kids, why we’ll take you
and all of your brothers and sisters, too
don’t be the last on your cul-de-sac
to get blown away in I-rack[/quote]

The U.S. can’t do it, it’s bases in Iraq are too vulnerable. Plus they might need Iran to prop up the Shiites in Iraq after the U.S. leaves.

Israel could do it, though it wouldn’t do them any good strategically. (It would be the principle of the thing.)

[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]The U.S. can’t do it, it’s bases in Iraq are too vulnerable. Plus they might need Iran to prop up the Shiites in Iraq after the U.S. leaves.

Israel could do it, though it wouldn’t do them any good strategically. (It would be the principle of the thing.)[/quote]

The US could easily fire cruise missile from offshore. I mean, they’re just sitting there collecting dust.

It would be a nearly suicidal thing for the U.S. to do but Israeli domestic politics considers it a top priority.

If it occurs, as I predict it will unless the AUMF is quashed by a Congress with some newly found backbone or Iran backs down from the uranium enrichment process, it will be an interesting object lesson in how domestic Israeli politics drives U.S. foreign policy.

Some good aerial recon of Iran -
imintel.blogspot.com/

Personally, I would not like to see Iran nuked or carpet bombed. I would like to see an internal revolt and a massive regime change.
The majority of the Iranian populace views itself as being held hostage by these fundy Islamo-nut cases.
My hope is that with the right kind of support and the actions of Israel, or any other country, Iran can rejoins to 21st century.
There are a great many Iranian blogs telling the story of what life is like there. But its always the sensationalist items that hit the world news.

I disagree. I think Israel always benefits strategically when it strikes against its enemies. I believe you want to use the word diplomatically, Screaming Jesus. Btw, any response on proposed fact-finding mission to JKinmen I mention in TP?

I thought that was what happened 25 years ago, when the people overwhelmingly rose up against the US puppet, the Shah, his autocratic rule and horrific security and intelligence forces, forcing him to flee the country so the people could install a government of their choosing, led by the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was overwhelmingly supported by the people.

I suspect the truth is not so simple.

I thought that was what happened 25 years ago, when the people overwhelmingly rose up against the US puppet, the Shah, his autocratic rule and horrific security and intelligence forces, forcing him to flee the country so the people could install a government of their choosing, led by the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was overwhelmingly supported by the people.

[quote]The majority of the Iranian populace views itself as being held hostage by these fundy Islamo-nut cases.[/quote]I suspect the truth is not so simple.[/quote]You are a tool if you believe what you post. And a tool unencumbered by reality.
How many Iranians do yo personally know? Have you ever been to Iran? Do you have any idea as to the demographics that support the current regimene in Iran? Do you know anything at all about the group that took over Iran in 1979? Do you know who/what the current nut-bag who leads Iran believes? Do you support a re-awakening of the Nazi Regime on a statesponsored level, or any level at all?
I think your answer to the above questions is a collective - NO?

But go ahead and push the glorious party line.

I also think your post is a troll…but since you are a ‘golden-boy’ one can’t say that.

I thought that was what happened 25 years ago, when the people overwhelmingly rose up against the US puppet, the Shah, his autocratic rule and horrific security and intelligence forces, forcing him to flee the country so the people could install a government of their choosing, led by the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was overwhelmingly supported by the people.[/quote][/quote]

If by “tool,” you mean something that is well-suited for getting a job done properly (unlike something that is dull, blunt and useless :wink: ), then I accept the compliment. But, still, I suspect that you don’t believe the simple historical facts that the Iranian people kicked out your beloved Shah and chose a religious nut-case instead (perhaps because they don’t publish the truth at Fox News and your other regular sources).

[quote]The Iranian Revolution (The Islamic Revolution) was the 1979 revolution that transformed Iran from a constitutional monarchy, under Shah (King) Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to a populist theocratic Islamic republic under the rule of Ayatollah (or Imam, as he is known in Iran) Ruhollah Khomeini. . .

Facing a revolution, the Shah of Iran sought help from the United States. . . But the Pahlavi regime had also garnered unfavorable publicity for its human rights record. . .

By September, the nation was rapidly destabilizing, with major protests becoming a regular occurrence. The Shah introduced martial law, and banned all demonstrations.

On Friday, September 8, a massive protest broke out in Tehran, and in what became known as Black Friday. Soldiers fired at demonstrators gathered in Jaleh Square, killing many. . .

A general strike in October resulted in the paralysis of the economy, with vital industries being shut down, “sealing the Shah’s fate.”

The protests of 1978 culminated in December, during the holy month of Muharram, one of the most important months for Shia Muslims. On December 12, over two million people filled the streets of Tehran’s Azadi Square (then Shahyad Square), to demand the removal of the Shah and return of Khomeini. . .

On January 16, 1979 the Shah and the empress left Iran . . .

On Feb. 1 1979 Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Tehran to rapturous greeting by several million Iranians. Now not only the undisputed leader of the revolution, he had become what some called a “semi-divine” figure, greeted as he descended from his airplane with cries of `Khomeini, O Imam, we salute you, peace be upon you."

. . . There was great jubilation in Iran at the ousting of the Shah. . .[/quote]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

thebiographychannel.co.uk/bi … omeini.htm

I’m not saying Khomeini was a great leader or universally loved. Not at all. Just pointing out that in response to your plea for revolution and massive regime change, that already happened in Iran 25 years ago and the results are apparently not to your pleasing. Don’t be so certain the next one will be any better.

MT -
No, the dull, blunt and useless tool is appropo for your case.
And why do you feel at liberty to assume “your beloved Shah” is correct?
Also, since you were probably in diapers in 1979 and didn’t have a f*ckwits clue as to what was going on, I won’t chastise you on this point. Suffice it to say that the “rapturous greeting by several million Iranians” crowd was assembled at gunpoint. And from there he and his minions took a progressive Iran back pretty darn close to the 12th century of moslem law. But thankfully, a lot of Iranians have been struggling to overcome this stone-age Moslem/politico throw-back mentality. And you oppose this progress? How revealing…LOL
You really don’t have a clue about Iran or its “revolution” do you? No…its obvious.

Since you’re the big expert on guns, please point out the guns in the following photos for me. Thanks.

I can see they’ve got the Shah at gunpoint here (or at least his head which they tore off his statue):

Well, la dee da dee da. I never meant to suggest I was providing an indepth analysis of hte Iranian Revolution. Just pointing out that, when you call for a massive revolution and regime overthrow, that’s exactly what happened 25 years ago, whether you care to admit it or not.

The tragedy of the Iranian revolution was the left deciding it needed the Mullahs onside to get the great unwashed behind it. The leftists paid with their lives when the Mullahs turned around and shot the lot. Still, there was considerable optimism in Iran after the Shah left, and why wouldn’t there have been? It was a highly populist regime change.

Indeed the US support for the Shah was just another in a long line of western blunders in that country, mistakes that the west is still paying for to this very day.

But I don’t know the US is quite so insane as to be seriously pondering attacking another soverign nation in the region at this point. They might hint at it, but surely they simply could not back an air assault, no matter how ectensive, with a shocking whore frontal land attack.

For a potted history of the left and the iranian lrevolution, see here> libcom.org/history/1978-1979-the … revolution. Let’s also not forget that the European left, and especially Michel Foucault were behind this one also.

[quote]The Seductions of Islamism: Revisiting Foucault and the Iranian Revolution
Janet Afary and Kevin B. Anderson
FEBRUARY 2004 MARKED THE TWENTY-FIFTH ANNIVERSARY of the Iranian Revolution. From September 1978 to February 1979, in the course of a massive urban revolution with millions of participants, the Iranian people toppled the regime of Muhammad Reza Shah Pahlavi (1941-1979), which had pursued a highly authoritarian program of economic and cultural modernization. By late 1978, the Islamist faction led by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini had come to dominate the antiregime uprising, in which secular nationalists, democrats, and leftists also participated. The Islamists controlled the slogans and the organization of the protests, which meant that many secular women protesters were pressured into donning the veil (chador) as an expression of solidarity with the more traditional Iranian Muslims. By February 1979, the shah had left the country and Khomeini returned from exile to take power. The next month, he sponsored a national referendum that declared Iran an Islamic republic by an overwhelming majority. Soon after, as Khomeini began to assume nearly absolute power, a reign of terror ensued.

Progressive and leftist intellectuals around the world were initially very divided in their assessments of the Iranian Revolution. While they supported the overthrow of the shah, they were usually less enthusiastic about the notion of an Islamic republic. Foucault visited and wrote on Iran during this period, a period when he was at the height of his intellectual powers. He had recently published Discipline and Punish (1975) and Vol. I of History of Sexuality (1976) and was working on material for Vol. II and III of the latter. Since their publication, the reputation of these writings has grown rather than diminished and they have helped us to conceptualize gender, sexuality, knowledge, power, and culture in new and important ways. Paradoxically, however, his extensive writings and interviews on the Iranian Revolution have experienced a different fate, ignored or dismissed even by thinkers closely identified with Foucault’s perspectives.[/quote]

HG