COVID Humbug! (2024 to present edition)

To my other question though, you say you probably won’t overcome your weakness, but (I say) everyone has a breaking point. Can you envision a point at which, things getting so crazy, you would change your mind?

I’m thinking in terms of the meme reposted several times that points out, apparently with accuracy, how the number of vaccinations considered “normal” has metastasized in the last few decades. Suppose it goes up to 100, 200, 1000?

Would you consider making yourself a cutoff rule so that when it reaches x you’ll force yourself to become vaccine hesitant (gasp!) or at least stop reacting to every expression of hesitancy with some variation of your do you believe all vaccines are bad? or do you believe all doctors are part of a conspiracy type stuff?

I’m not a medical expert so I just follow what the real medical experts recommend:

“CDC recommends a 2025-2026 COVID-19 vaccine for people ages 6 months and older based on individual-based decision-making.

  • The COVID-19 vaccine helps protect you from severe illness, hospitalization, and death.
  • It is especially important to get your 2025–2026 COVID-19 vaccine if you are ages 65 and older, are at high risk for severe COVID-19, or have never received a COVID-19 vaccine.
  • Parents of children ages 6 months to 17 years should discuss the benefits of vaccination with a healthcare provider.
  • Vaccine protection decreases over time, so it is important to get your 2025–2026 COVID-19 vaccine.”

But you don’t automatically trust the government to decide who the real medical experts are (at least not since RFKJ happened to HHS), so how do you discern the reality of their expertise?

To give an example of what I’m getting at, you may recall his announcement not long ago that pregnant women and children under a certain age were being taken off the recommended list for covid jabs. If you have plenty of experts in the US denouncing that – essentially saying the government can no longer be trusted to give correct jab advice – but ignoring the fact that plenty of other experts had been saying the same thing for years and even that various first world countries had already done the same thing (or at least for children if not pregnant women) years ago… how do you decide which experts are real and which ones are fake?

RFK is a quack so you can, with few exceptions, count on anything he says as being quackery.

Telling who the real medical experts are is easy. Just about every public and private healthcare organization on the planet is giving the same advice about the efficacy of vaccines. If you know of a healthcare organization which isn’t please share.

I read that as a blend of argumentum ab auctoritate and argumentum ad populum.

We’ve been over the question before, but any dissident organization I could cite would of course be dismissed as not expert enough, not authoritative enough, not big enough, not whatever enough…

Have you tried envisioning scenarios in which you stop trusting the CDC as an organization? Conventional wisdom holds that if Bobby continues on his current trajectory, eventually (assuming a contrary election result or a falling out with the Dear Leader doesn’t stop him) he’ll make the CDC present significantly less enthusiastic endorsements of vaccines in general and covid jabs in particular, maybe even outright saying they’re more dangerous than beneficial. Would that be the last straw for you, even if the CDC is still full of medical experts at that point?

Sounds like you might cherry-pick the “real medical experts”. Then follow the advice that suits your narrative.

I’m not aware of a single public or private healthcare organization on the planet that supports your anti-vaccine narrative. Are you?

Does that make them correct?

By your standard, back in the day you would have also disagreed with doctors washing hands in the maternity ward, believed cholera was caused by “bad air”, and that smoking didn’t cause cancer.

It’s just a bit odd though, don’t you think, to be accusing me of cherry-picking healthcare advice.

Not really odd. So many said they would not take a COVID vaccine when Trump was touting it. Then it was suddenly safe and effective some months later when Biden took office.

You’re not doing a very good job of arguing the anti-vaccine position. I could do a better job. Want to switch sides just for fun? I’ll argue the anti-vaccine position and you’ll argue the pro-vaccine position.

Based upon your hopeless pro-(COVID)vaccine arguments, I don’t see how you’d be any better arguing the other side. Besides, I think we could both agree that it would be an utterly pointless exercise.

So that’s a ‘no’?

Why don’t you give me your best attempt at arguing the other side.

Okay. Give me a day or two to research it and put something together. My theme is going to be ‘Why Operation Warp Speed solved Covid but created a ticking timebomb for future generations by hastily tinkering with human biology at the DNA level.’

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Trust these creatures with your lives:

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If that’s suppose to be a devil’s advocate argument, I smell a serious conflict of interest. :smiling_face_with_horns::kissing_face_with_closed_eyes::innocent: Just sayin’.

Any interest at all in pondering this, Qua? If not that’s fine, just wondering.

Yes you are. Or maybe not, depending on how you define “[P007’s] anti-vaccine narrative”. If skepticism in respect of covid jabs is all it takes, let me refresh your memory:

Not an endorsement btw. But if you want to tell yourself you’re serious about this diabolical advocacy and you honestly don’t remember previous discussions about such groups, you can start there. A search engine can point you to numerous vaguely similar (i.e. covid jab-skeptical) groups in various countries.

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Recall saying this at the time.
It was amazing that Drosten devised the test (Kary Mullis who conveniently died a 3 months before, turned in his grave) in 2019. Like a clairvoyant.

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