Is this reformed Islam?
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From every angle, I see Nick Sandmannâs smirk, and his failure to get out of Nathan Phillipsâ face.
Is this reformed Islam?
I bet Reza is an atheist. He probably claims to be a Muslim because itâs âcool.â A lot of the diaspora Iranians I know in California are atheists, although they donât like to admit it in public.
Wow. Really?
Seriously, that was fucked up. I think Iâd become a Lutheran
Maybe people now will learn to step back a bit and not jump to ridiculous conclusions and make outrageous denunciations of people on slim to no evidence.
Ha ha! Just kidding!
Iâve met many Iranians that are atheists but wonât say it in public for many reasons like backlash and they still follow their family traditions.
But for. Guy thatâs all about Islamic reformation and telling people theyâre pieces of shit. Heâs up there.
He seems like a pretty smart guy to me. I think heâs just in it for the controversy. His main sin is probably being a narcissist.
Sort of. I mean, I know what the media is but, honestly, until I few years ago I probably believed they âmostlyâ tried to report âfactsâ.
This incident bothered me more than most. It wasnât trying to take down a politician or a person of influence - it was some random kid who behaved in precisely the manner that I would have advised him to behave in such a situation. Keep quiet. Donât get physical unless you are protecting yourself. Donât let your friends do anything stupid. Listen to your teachers and leave when they ask you to. For that, he deserved to go down?
I donât question his intelligence. I do agree with him most times and heâs usually pretty logical. But thereâs been often where I just questioned what heâs doing, and even how honest he is about reforming Islam. Like how he has basically ignored that there has been other people and groups that wants a very similar version. (Forgot the names) but the reason why I canât think it off the top of my head and people havenât heard of is because they got wiped out. The other side of reforming is like Saudi and isis. Seems to skip his mind how terrible it was for many for even the Christian protestant reformation.
I think this reflects a basic contradiction in his progressive logic. On the one hand, he believes in cultural relativismâŚall cultures are equal, and itâs bigoted to demand that others change their cultural and religious practices. On the other hand, as a progressive, he canât endorse things like stoning of gays, FGM, honor killings, etc. Thereâs really no resolution to this contradiction, so he comes off as a bit schizophrenic.
If my kids went on a Catholic school trip representing a cause, and then did tomahawk chops and dances across from an indigenous people rally, bought MAGA hats, and then acted all smirky when a native elder came over to drum and dance and pray, Iâd figure the reaction was about justified (not doxing, but all the other tsk-tsking and shaming). Still hoping the school deals with them, and I canât see the Catholic church approving of thisâŚ
From every angle, I see Nick Sandmannâs smirk, and his failure to get out of Nathan Phillipsâ face.
Native American dude seemed like an asshole to me. I donât care what color you are or what peaceful âenergyâ you are trying to emit. (I know enough hippies who try to act all âgoodâ and âenlightened, manâ when in reality they are kind of douche bags. )
This guy walked straight up to a dude fully expecting him to step aside. Thatâs like textbook level douchebaggery.
Good on the kid.
And to the people saying âwell, he should have at least just stepped aside.â
No, actually, he shouldnât have.
If my kids went on a Catholic school trip representing a cause, and then did tomahawk chops and dances across from an indigenous people rally, bought MAGA hats, and then acted all smirky when a native elder came over to drum and dance and pray, Iâd figure the reaction was about justified (not doxing, but all the other tsk-tsking and shaming). Still hoping the school deals with them, and I canât see the Catholic church approving of thisâŚ
Omg his face made a expression.
Have you never been a teenager? We went 100000x more crazy on our school trips lol.
What exactly would the Catholic Church be opposed to?
And people need to rememberâŚmany atheists and other religious beliefs are in religious schools. You have no idea if theyâre even catholic.
Not sure why you linked to that Slate article. Itâs a steaming pile of horse manure.
Thereâs no mistaking the core dynamics of the encounter: Sandmann smugly grins in Phillipsâs face and declines to step backward
So when someone walks right up in your face and starts banging on a drum, not stepping backward is some kind of provocation?
None of this might have matteredâand the clip certainly would not have gone viralâif Sandmann and many of his peers were not wearing red Make America Great Again hats.
Ah, here we get to the core of the matter. Being a Trump supporter is the real provocation. Because who, but a racist or white supremacist or whatever the accusation du jour happens to be is, would have the temerity to support the duly elected president? The kid should get some kind of medal for standing his ground against that aggressive, lying crybully.
From the good ole Huffington Post (2 hours ago, jesus):
This is your opportunity to show our kids that bigotry has no place in America.
They are essentially doubling down and putting it on the kids and parents for starting it by wearing the dreadful MAGA hats.
Some great quotes from it:
But it is also true that your students mocked an elderly Vietnam veteran while the supervising adults allowed them to represent your school wearing MAGA hats.
As it is, the image of young men protesting against womenâs reproductive rights, coupled with their MAGA mobbing of an elderly Native American man, only looks like young men wanting to dominate people who have historically had less power.
This is your moment to teach boys that the right to express themselves is not as important as treating all people with respect, that political disagreement does not give them the right to disparage and ridicule others.
Go to Mr. Phillips and apologize on the boysâ behalf.
Covington has an overwhelmingly or entirely white faculty, you are sending a powerful message to your students about who deserves respect and who doesnât.
Feel like Iâm living on a different planet at this point.
Feel like Iâm living on a different planet at this point.
More like a different dimension.
They were on a pro-life march, so would be surprised if they werenât Catholic, but who knows⌠Not exactly a credit to the pro-life movement.
Not exactly a credit to the pro-life movement.
Why are they not ?
Well now we know the video was out of context and itâs just a kid. That didnât need to be on cnnâs first page and in every newspaper around the world rightâŚ
They were on a pro-life march, so would be surprised if they werenât Catholic, but who knows⌠Not exactly a credit to the pro-life movement
Because Catholics are the only ones pro life. And that kids actually go on school trips for fully for intended purposes. Sounds like a trip with my friends and a excuse to skip school to me.
And wouldnât the trump administration be more pro life?
What exactly is the issue and what would the Catholic Church be opposed to?
They were on a pro-life march, so would be surprised if they werenât Catholic, but who knows⌠Not exactly a credit to the pro-life movement.
i think you need to retract your analysis, as the Internet is pretty much on the side of the high schoolers now.