Dangerous Mechanical Breakdowns on Two Wheels

A few days ago my wife mentioned that her scooter didn’t feel right on the rear end. She said “it feels sloppy.” We agreed that she had to check the tire pressure. She went to work like that on some pretty fast open roads, and bumpy at that. She called me on her way back from work and she was stranded… “Something is wrong and very loose on the back of my scooter, and there is something scraping on the wheel.”

Amazingly, she didn’t have an accident, it happened at low speed while cornering. Have a look, the damn rear shock broke in two pieces… From what she had told me the night before, it sounds like she was riding the spring only(the actual cylinder was snapped) for a day or two. The thing is, the spring is not attached to the bike! So the rear end of the bike was just sort of sitting on the spring… :astonished:

She rides a BWS like mine, and my shock is just as old… I’m replacing it ASAP. :noway:

Yet another reason why Taiwan should have a regular testing/checking procedure for vehicle maintenance standards. There are none at present, other than the exhaust gas emissions check which I think is required once per year.
Taiwan is just asking for accidents caused by such problems as this. Thank the local government that such a state of design or disrepair can be allowed on the raod.

Edit: I am very glad however that no harm came to anyone because of this fault, it makes me shudder to think people get hurt from this sort of thing, when many problems such as this are avoidable. No blame to yourselves. This problem should not have been so.

Actually looking at the break, the shock seems to have been cast incorrectly. I am only saying that as a shock should only wear within its casings, not externally. The break point seems to be because of either poor design or poor forgery when the metal was cast. It looks to be of very narrow juncture as well, and gives me doubts as to whether the original design was proper enough in the first place.
The strut has had some side load on it for some time judging by the ruts that the spring has worn into the sleeve of the external coupling. These tell tale signs of wear should have been picked up by a competant mechanic and should have been an indication of need of replacement quite some time ago.

When repairing, please also check the suspension swing arm linkage as this (if faulty) can place unproper (side) loads on the damper and strut. Basically speaking, please give a good all round check to the other components of the suspension before simply replacing the strut (coil and damper/Shock and spring).

That looks to me like a five to six year old bike strut ( minimum). Please don’t assume that Taiwan mechanics can check these sorts of things for wear and tear. Best just purchase a new bike every now and again (I would say three years or so).
Please tell me if I am wrong in my evaluations however as I am always learning about the state of wear and tear of motor vehicles.

By the way it is recommended that dampers be replaced every three to four years of average driving (on a car). I suspect that a bikes suspension may not even reach that.

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Actually looking at the break, the shock seems to have been cast incorrectly. I am only saying that as a shock should only wear within its casings, not externally. The break point seems to be because of either poor design or poor forgery when the metal was cast. It looks to be of very narrow juncture as well, and gives me doubts as to whether the original design was proper enough in the first place.[/quote]

It seams more to me like the crack has started in the threads witch is a comon since it’s here that the iron is at it’s thinest and it can be a smal scare there from the manufacturing proces where a crack can start growing.

Castings a x-rayed or ultrasound tested in almoust anny manufacturing proces so I don’t think it would make it on a bike.

[quote=“sulavaca”]Yet another reason why Taiwan should have a regular testing/checking procedure for vehicle maintenance standards. There are none at present, other than the exhaust gas emissions check which I think is required once per year.[/quote] I was thinking it’s one added hazard of riding a bike. I’m not sure things like that are commonly inspected elsewhere either because I for one never heard of a snapped shock before. I was blown away.

[quote]and gives me doubts as to whether the original design was proper enough in the first place.[/quote]That is correct. Two design faults from what I was told.
1-The shock itself is mounted with too much of an angle which causes what you wrote below with accuracy:

[quote]The strut has had some side load on it for some time judging by the ruts that the spring has worn into the sleeve of the external coupling.[/quote]The mechanic told me that on BWS, the rear shock should be replaced every couple years at the most, precisely because of the “side load” you mentioned.

2- The shock design itself isn’t strong enough for this constant “side load.”

[quote]These tell tale signs of wear should have been picked up by a competant mechanic and should have been an indication of need of replacement quite some time ago.[/quote]I’ve known her shock was worn out for quite some time now, but I never thought this could happen. I thought it’s just softer and bouncier… I didn’t think it was actually dangerous… :blush:

[quote]When repairing, please also check the suspension swing arm linkage as this (if faulty) can place unproper (side) loads on the damper and strut. Basically speaking, please give a good all round check to the other components of the suspension before simply replacing the strut (coil and damper/Shock and spring).[/quote]Less than a year ago, this scooter had the upper and lower end of the engine rebuilt. The swing arm was disassembled, and well greased up when put back together. I must say, though, the swing arm on the BWS is very sturdy. Even with a worn out shock, there is no visible twisting like on many other scooters with a single shock to one side upon hitting bumps. It’s pretty solid, and that’s why she managed to ride the bike with a snapped shock, I think.

[quote]That looks to me like a five to six year old bike strut ( minimum).[/quote]Also correct. The shock is nearly 7 years old… [quote]Best just purchase a new bike every now and again (I would say three years or so)[/quote] I’m not into buying new vehicles. I can’t stand losing 30% just by driving away from the dealership… I can sell my scooter for as much as I paid for it 2 years ago, and that’s how I like it… Mind me, you’re right, it’s not as safe, obviously.

[quote]Please tell me if I am wrong in my evaluations however as I am always learning about the state of wear and tear of motor vehicles.[/quote]No, I think you’re damn close just from looking at a couple pictures.

I’m buying a shock for my scooter today. Mine is also 7 years old. I can get a performance shock(the adjustable kind) for 3000NT, or just a Yamaha one for 1300NT. Not worth the risk.

Thanks very much for your reply, as you have helped me learn a little more about these sorts of cases. If that Yamaha you are talking about is one of those “off road” types, then I would also pay much attention to the tyre pressure and front dampers. I have riden one of those from time to time and they seem to float a lot instead of feeling more solid and grippy on the road as a normal style scooter should feel. Those big chunky tyres may seem really cool, but I wouldn’t put much trust into them on a corner, especially in the wet.

The main reason I recomend purchasing new bikes here is that the locals don’t seem to be interested in regular maintenance and repair. I will be making a video on this subject sometime soon.

I did a full flush on my front forks recently and I used Repsol oil made for forks. I used a syringe to measure it right, and ended up doing it three times until the bike handled the way I like it. I couldn’t find the specs anywhere as to how much oil my forks were to have in them. 75cc seemed to be the magic amount for me through trials and errors.

I just installed road tires on my off road style scooter. It makes a tremendous difference compared with the mud tires. Having wider tires makes the scooter actually stickier than regular skinnies on most scooters, I would think. Mud tires do suck on pavement, though. No doubt about it.

I put a new shock on my scooter today. It’s new but it had some scratches on the paint from being left out of the packaging, so I got it for cheaper. It’s the kind with oil and air inside. It’s not much smoother riding, but it feels more sturdy when cornering. Oh and it won’t break on me from old age…

the mud tires on those BWS are a liability on hard top: the rubber pegs are really hard so there is very little flex in them for the tire to grip the road surface, and the wider surface area means you are less likely to grip (less pressure) than with a narrower road tire. buy the most sticky road tire you can find for a scooter: most trips are so short the tire barely has time to warm up to some kind of sticky temperature anyway, and the scooter is so much lighter than a larger motorcycle that the extra grip from a sticky tire is very handy. have a look at the ten year life span of most of the hard cheap road tires driving around on old kymcos etc. out there… they just don’t wear out, and they get old and tired and develop sidewall cracks from the hot sun and then slowly leak to death on you.

of course, if you do ride in mud, a pair of slick michelin hi-sports is not really the done thing.

Urodacus, I guess you didn’t see this thread:
forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=650230
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thankx joesax… guess i didn’t see it yet!

but i have now.

time to replace my tires too now that i think of it. they’re actually those old hard stiff ChengShins that you see driving around on old Kymcos, with sidewall cracks from the hot sun. etc etc.

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