Deep Throat exposed

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/31/deep.throat/index.html

Now that’s interesting…

So he was the man responsible for taking Nixon down.

Good on him.

[quote=“Mr He”]So He was the man responsible for taking Nixon down.
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That’s right, Mr. He’s clitoris is in his throat and he is deep throat :smiley:

My 300th post, had to hassle you :slight_smile:

Anyway, hope Mark Felt gets some recognition and praise for his burden and good deed.

[quote]Felt, the second-in-command at the FBI in the early 1970s, kept his secret even from his family for almost three decades before confiding that he was Post reporter Woodward

A 30 year secret finally comes out. Glad to see this in my lifetime.
#2 man at the FBI and he’s the one dropping dimes.

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]
#2 man at the FBI and he’s the one dropping dimes.[/quote]

yes, a sad reflection on the government.

For the last two hours I was wondering what the hell an FBI agent was doing in a porn film and what the hell it had to do with Richard Nixon. :astonished:

Oops. :blush:

[quote=“Tempo Gain”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]
#2 man at the FBI and he’s the one dropping dimes.[/quote]

yes, a sad reflection on the government.[/quote]

Funny thing is, many people feel that all departments of government are working together on the same page. I read George Schultz’s book and discovered that nothing could be further from the truth. Many of the federal agencies are pretty much independent.

In the long run, Nixon’s downfall led to a huge distrust of the government and the presidency that still exists today…rightly so?? I don’t know.

He is a whistleblower for sure, and he was right, that Nixon was doing stuff he shouldn’t have been doing. However, most people dislike whistleblowers as not having the larger picture in mind when they blow away. Was lying about dirty political tricks worth tearing the country apart so he could justify himself to himself?

Hero? No way.

But thanks for all the conspiracies that have followed…

I think people who think like this fail to see the even bigger picture: If you discourage whistle blowers then you run the risk of developing a society and culture where corruption and malpractice become the norm, and that is never a good thing. Should we be distrustful of people in power? Hell yes. Even good people can do bad things, and power seems to corrupt many. Forgetting this leads to a kind of laziness which allows those in power to move a long way down roads that would have been better avoided, mainly because nobody notices in time.

More info re:Felt is coming out. The gentleman has been having some problems - health/financial/family. It looks like he attempted to sell his story to a magazine several years ago.

[quote]On the trail of the secret informant
By J. TODD FOSTER, The News Virginian
Wednesday, June 1, 2005

I’ve been waiting three years for what happened Tuesday: That W. Mark Felt would be named “Deep Throat.”

Actually, he was outed as Deep Throat by relatives and an attorney who began pitching me the story in June 2002, when I was a regular contributor to People magazine.

There’s little doubt that Felt is indeed the super-secret source who helped topple a president. The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward and Ben Bradlee confirmed as much Tuesday.

But there’s one interview you won’t be seeing: Felt himself. The former No. 2 man at the FBI suffered a stroke in the summer of 2000. By his family’s own admissions, he suffers from dementia. You will not see Mark Felt going on camera and saying he was Deep Throat.b[/b]
The News Virginian[/quote]
Another good article with related links -
In the Prelude to Publication, Intrigue Worthy of Deep Throat
Also -
‘Deep Throat’ Family May Cash in on Fame

[quote=“jdsmith”][quote=“Tempo Gain”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]
#2 man at the FBI and he’s the one dropping dimes.[/quote]

yes, a sad reflection on the government.[/quote]

Funny thing is, many people feel that all departments of government are working together on the same page. I read George Schultz’s book and discovered that nothing could be further from the truth. Many of the federal agencies are pretty much independent.

In the long run, Nixon’s downfall led to a huge distrust of the government and the presidency that still exists today…rightly so?? I don’t know.

He is a whistleblower for sure, and he was right, that Nixon was doing stuff he shouldn’t have been doing. However, most people dislike whistleblowers as not having the larger picture in mind when they blow away. Was lying about dirty political tricks worth tearing the country apart so he could justify himself to himself?

Hero? No way.

But thanks for all the conspiracies that have followed…[/quote]

The Swiftboat Veterans for Truth were whistleblowers. It probably depends on whose ox is being gored as to whether it’s “worth it or not.”

I think getting the truth out is always healthier for individuals, families and societies. I’ve never been a fan of avoiding the truth as opposed to facing it.

As we knew it would, as we knew it would. :wink: :laughing:

This seems predictable as sunrise. If shrub’s people can burnish off a little of old Joe McCarthy’s tarnish then no doubt they can extend the same courtesy to old Tricky Dick.

Enduring public discussions of his possible status as a lame duck followed immediately by old stories of bad Republicans who resigned does not apparently sit well with shrub.

As sure as John Kerry and Max Cleland are traitors, John McCain is not stable and careless enough to sire a black baby, etc., etc. It’s a long and undistinguished spiel you guys are trying to add Felt to.

Back to the troutline: yeah, I note that’s one treble hook your guys are exploring, this “Felt as slimy profiteer” tack.

Another, which in future may of course be united with yours without too much difficulty, provided both gain enough traction, seems to me, is that Felt should be prosecuted somehow. I think your guys want him prosecuted on the theory that he coughed up state secrets or some such. [according to your bud on WorldNet radio…Farha?? That guy’s kinda rambly doncha find, and way out there, whoo!]

You guys go!

:help:

flike -
Do stop your hyper-ventilating.
Look at the articles and sources. Also look at the comments made re:Mr. Felt - I have not seen anything vaguely resembling your "ass"umptions.

The comparisons of the SBVFT and the Deep Throat issue are apples and oranges. Different situations and different issues. Beat that gong at your own peril.

As to …

I honestly have no idea what this mumbling is about.
As for prosecution of Mr. Felt - I, personally, would not support such an action.
The man is 90+ yrs old, in poor physical health and also battling seniledementia. A very sad case.
Also, it is well beyond any statute of limitations. Very doubtful any Federal prosecutor would spend time and ink with that already so clearly established.

As this is a subject which has clearly stretched beyond the years of your lifetime, it is only reasonable for all of the various aspects of it to be developed and brought forth.
Public interest in items of national historic issue such as this are debated and explored without regards to any ‘shelf-life expiration dates.’ I expect this episode to be the subject of debate,discussion and print for quite a long while into the future.
It will not end with a few pundits on wither side of the political spectrum spouting out their feeble attempts at one-upsmanship. This will bear scrutiny all up and down the political/editorial food chain.
As to the rest of your comment - who are you referring to? What colour is the sun on your planet?

Now this bit of spew does have me wondering…Why is Max Cleland a traitor? What proof do you have to make this claim? The truth about how he received his injuries were amped up to fit his agenda, but this is the first time I have seen him called a “traitor.” What have you got here?

You go Guy!…?

there’s nothing complicated about this issue. wrong was being done. there were hardly any official channels that could have been gone to. this guy blew the whistle. case closed. was it right? give me a break, are our cops supposed to be concealing wrongdoing? it was brave and he is a hero by definition. what did he ever get out of it, yeah now that he’s 90 he decided to sell out and enjoy life, lol, too funny.

In my opinion, Felt’s family have done him great injustice. They have outed the man when he is so old and senile that he can’t defend himself. Felt’s family are in no position to defend his actions, either; it seems pretty clear to me that their motive in all of this is money.

Deep Throat should have been allowed to remain as Deep Throat. No man in government is so perfect that he could stand up to the scrutiny that would be directed toward this kind of informant if his identity saw the light of day. Felt is no saint. Although I think he did what he did for the right reasons, I also think that he could have had plenty of selfish reasons for spilling the beans on Nixon. Nixon had appointed an outsider to head the FBI after J. Edgar Hoover died and all the old school boys in the organization resented the hell out of Nixon for that. I have difficulty believing that as Deputy Director, Felt didn’t hold ill will toward Nixon. Also keep in mind that Felt was convicted in 1980 for ordering searches of anti-war activists’ houses without first obtaining warrants. It seems that at least some of the time, this guy was no selfless guardian of consitutional government.

Knowing the identity of Deep Throat, even after more than 30 years, is a distraction from the greater sin committed by Nixon. Maybe a country needs idealistic, mysterious stories about a selfless, non-partisan informant who took a risk for the greater good and then took the secret to the grave. Unfortunately, there are no saints like that in real life. When we only knew the informant as Deep Throat, there were no wharts to distract us from the incontrovertible truth: Nixon had it coming. Would it have been better if Felt had talked to a prosecutor instead of a reporter? Perhaps so. However, I laugh out loud when I hear the likes of the ethically challenged Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon who did 4.5 years behind bars for his role in the Watergate breakins, state that Felt’s behaviour was unethical. Pot? Kettle?

So anyway, the most intersting thing about this is why the Post decided to call their informant after the most famous porn film of the 70s. Why? Seriously! I can’t find any info on the net so it must be blindingly obvious. (Does Felt… er, um, I mean…)

Felt was christened Deep Throat by Woodward’s editor Howard Simons. The original code name was “My Friend”.

Felt was christened Deep Throat by Woodward’s editor Howard Simons. The original code name was “My Friend”.[/quote]

Howard Simons is dead now. But once I was flying out of Washington to Chicago, and my seatmate on the plane was … Howard Simons. Very nice man. College days for me.

This was after the scandal broke and Nixon resigned. Mr Simons told me they decided, well, he decided, to call the source at the FBI deep throat for two reasons, he told me: one was the source was talking to Woodward (and Woodward only, Bernstein never met or talked to Felt) under a journalism term called "deep background’ meaning you cannot name me or out me or anything, and two: the soft porn movie Deep Throat was at that time part of popular culture in the USA, and Simons, who was a very good rewrite man and headline writer, had a way with words, thought combining deep background and deep throat together would be fun and trendy and gossipy, just a bit risque, as they say in Montreal, so he went with Deep Throat and the name stuck.

At the time, during the Watergate scandal and Nixon’s resignation, the name Deep Throat was not so bandied about. But after Woodstein wrote their book and the HoffmanRedford movie came out, Deep Throat became a pop culture term even greater than the porn movie of same name.

As for Felt, YES, he is major hero for blowing the whistle, and should be recognized as such by all freedom loving people on this board.

Two: he is 91 and getting ready to RIP, so sure, he wants to leave some money for his kids and grandkids, and with Woodward Bernstein making millions from their work (of which Felt was major player!), not only from books and the movie, and speaking fees, but also from donating their notes to the Univ of Texas for US$5 million, Felt and his family felt he should get some financial rewards from all this too and leave it for his kids. Why not?

This is not about money. Get over it. It is about an old man getting ready to meet his Maker and leaving some money for his relatives. It makes sense, he was a player in all this, and a little money now at the end of his life, NOT FOR HIM, but his kids and gkids and gggggggkids, sure.

Long live Mark Felt. A new American hero is born!

by the way, clever headline writers beware!

But He Was a Stranger to Ball Points

“Nixon Knew of Felt Tips” – headline, New York Post, June 2

…to show how far the Deep Throat legend and concept travels… In today’s CHINA POST there is an article on the back page, top, headlined “Does Taipei have a Deep Throat of its own?”

It goes on to say: “In an editorial yesterday, the Chinese language China Times newspaper in Taipei predicted that some “Deep Throats” would step forward in Taiwan to tell the true story about the election eve assasination attempt on President Chen Shui-bian and Vice President Annette Lu in Tainan last year.”

This editorial appeared in Chinese, so obviously they have translated the deep throat term to Mandarin. I wonder if it has the same connatations as the porn title Deep Throat? Maybe they just mean a very deep throat, literally?

Ben Stein has a new view on Tricky Dick:

spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8242

[quote]Special Report
Deep Throat and Genocide
By Ben Stein
Published 6/1/2005 12:22:42 AM
Re: The “news” that former FBI agent Mark Felt broke the law, broke his code of ethics, broke his oath and was the main source for Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward’s articles that helped depose Richard Nixon, a few thoughts.

Can anyone even remember now what Nixon did that was so terrible? He ended the war in Vietnam, brought home the POW’s, ended the war in the Mideast, opened relations with China, started the first nuclear weapons reduction treaty, saved Eretz Israel’s life, started the Environmental Protection Administration. Does anyone remember what he did that was bad?

Oh, now I remember. He lied. He was a politician who lied. How remarkable. He lied to protect his subordinates who were covering up a ridiculous burglary that no one to this date has any clue about its purpose. He lied so he could stay in office and keep his agenda of peace going. That was his crime. He was a peacemaker and he wanted to make a world where there was a generation of peace. And he succeeded.

That is his legacy. He was a peacemaker. He was a lying, conniving, covering up peacemaker. He was not a lying, conniving drug addict like JFK, a lying, conniving war starter like LBJ, a lying, conniving seducer like Clinton – a lying, conniving peacemaker. That is Nixon’s kharma.

When his enemies brought him down, and they had been laying for him since he proved that Alger Hiss was a traitor, since Alger Hiss was their fair-haired boy, this is what they bought for themselves in the Kharma Supermarket that is life:

1.) The defeat of the South Vietnamese government with decades of death and hardship for the people of Vietnam.

2.) The assumption of power in Cambodia by the bloodiest government of all time, the Khmer Rouge, who killed a third of their own people, often by making children beat their own parents to death. No one doubts RN would never have let this happen.

So, this is the great boast of the enemies of Richard Nixon, including Mark Felt: they made the conditions necessary for the Cambodian genocide. If there is such a thing as kharma, if there is such a thing as justice in this life of the next, Mark Felt has bought himself the worst future of any man on this earth. And Bob Woodward is right behind him, with Ben Bradlee bringing up the rear. Out of their smug arrogance and contempt, they hatched the worst nightmare imaginable: genocide. I hope they are happy now – because their future looks pretty bleak to me.[/quote]

About as new as dirt. Ben Stein hasn’t changed his view on Tricky Dick …ever, that I know.

I love how even the brainiest of the party of Personal Responsibility and Jesus fall back on finger-pointing and karma whenever his or her objectivity is seriously blown up by inconvenient facts.

:laughing:

I like the leader in today’s China Post: “Deep Throat Wanted”. That’s my kind of editorial.