Defending Taiwan

Eeeek, the mainlanders’ panties are even worse? I thought the TW standard “Grannypants” are bad already…combined with the padded bras. Well, nice if that’s perfect for you - I’ll gladly stay with strings and unpadded bras…[/quote]

I was just rather impressed that JiveTurkey has done such a comprehensive underwear survey :slight_smile:

Unfortunately, you can’t make their brains catch fire, Captain Kirk style, by feeding them a logical impossibility. The CCP does that all the time and they just swallow it down.

And I wonder how many of them have actually been to Taiwan … or can locate it on the map. Have you tried showing (or drawing) a map for them, with a vast expanse of China covering most of the page and a little, insignificant dot in the corner representing Taiwan? Then ask them WTF they actually care who that little dot “belongs” to, apart from the fact that they’ve buggered up their own country with pollution and might need somewhere to evacuate to. Perhaps you could tell them that Taiwanese people are very kind, so there’s no need to occupy Taiwan by force: the Taiwanese will happily help them to reconstruct their country after they’ve sold it all off to the Americans.

China may end up with say 20 states from the USA in return for all treasury bonds it has bought from Uncle Sam and move half its people over there.

And I wonder how many of them have actually been to Taiwan … or can locate it on the map. Have you tried showing (or drawing) a map for them, with a vast expanse of China covering most of the page and a little, insignificant dot in the corner representing Taiwan? Then ask them WTF they actually care who that little dot “belongs” to, apart from the fact that they’ve buggered up their own country with pollution and might need somewhere to evacuate to. Perhaps you could tell them that Taiwanese people are very kind, so there’s no need to occupy Taiwan by force: the Taiwanese will happily help them to reconstruct their country after they’ve sold it all off to the Americans.[/quote]
:roflmao: Awesome! I love it.

[quote=“Rabidpie”]As I have said in my earlier posts, I am currently living in Shanghai and I have plans to one day eventually come back and live in Taiwan.

Anyhow, since I live here in China I get my fair share of people who love to bash Taiwan. For some reason or another, I get really annoyed when I hear the mainlanders (or people from other countries for that matter) bash Taiwan. I honestly don’t know why I get so defensive about it.

Then the bashing of Taiwan and the Taiwanese began, how they do this and that, etc. I know I shouldn’t get angry about people’s comments about stuff like that, but for some reason I can’t help but get defensive about it. I really shouldn’t though, I’m not Taiwanese in any way.[/quote]

Why not have a little bit of fun? Tell them you have a few Taiwanese friends who are really sorry that Taiwan didnt stay as a part of Japan, as they would then live in a richer, cleaner and better-ordered society…
with any luck they’ll be so infuriated they’ll go out and burn down some Japanese consulate…
(actually I only ever once met a Taiwanese guy that said that to me, but its not something I ever asked people, so there might be a lot more out there… also it was 20 years ago and Taiwan has caught up on Japan a lot in the meantime…)

[quote=“Jive Turkey”]I think your whole strategy is wrong. To most Chinese who aren’t complete nitpickers, differences like traditional and simplified characters are not going to seem all that meaningful. I think that if your Chinese is up to it and you aren’t afraid of embarrassing them, then give them a hard, figurative kick in the balls. To do this, I suggest pointing out differences like the following:

-Chen Shuibian is in the clink for 20 years (reduced from life) after being convicted at the end of a public trial for embezzlement, money laundering and bribery. How many of the PRC’s highest leaders have been publicly tried for corruption? How long has Li Peng spent in jail?

-Short of shouting “fire” in a movie theatre or committing libel/slander, people in Taiwan can say pretty much anything they want about anybody or anything, and the government can do sweet fuck about it. Don’t like an elected leader or high profile civil servant? Blog about it, or get one of the rabid media organizations interested in it. Got a police officer or gangster on digital video doing something illegal? Put it up on Youtube if you are sure the object of the video does not know who shot it. The government and that gangster can do nothing to you, and they can’t take that video down or block it. Can you do that on the mainland with the confidence that the PSB internet goons won’t identify you?

-Continuing on the subject of the internet, Taiwanese can directly access any website in the world. No need for a VPN or proxy server to read information that The Man does not want you to read. Can you do that on the mainland?

-Mainland women frequently wear stockings or hosiery that make their legs look horrible, their underwear is more like a pair of shorts, and their bras look like they are made of some kind of cheap, improperly manufactured polyester that would cause a skin rash. Taiwanese women look damn hot when they wear short skirts or shorts, they don’t wear ugly bras, and their underwear covers just the right amount.

-Taiwan has run its 300 km/h+ class high speed rail for over four years, and there have been no fatal accidents. The PRC’s HSR, if you believe the state media, as killed 40 and injured 192 in its first year of operation. While the Taiwan HSR project was riddled with corruption, the level of it pales in comparison to the mainland’s HSR development.

-When a major food safety issue is uncovered on the mainland, the media is silenced and anybody who is not satisfied with the compensation and “justice” that comes afterward is disappeared until they see the error in their thinking, or just put in a mental institute. One or two people will take the fall, while the asshole party members who took bribes and looked the other way go about their business as usual. When a major food safety issue is uncovered in Taiwan, the media runs wild with it, there are public legal proceedings and there is at least a decent chance that the guilty will spend time in jail. Mental Health Institutes are for the mentally ill in Taiwan.

-The PRC classifies the number of people executed every year as a state secret; outside organizations have estimated that the number is anywhere from 2,000 to 7,000 per year. The ROC government stopped capital punishment for four years, and over the past ten years has killed no more than an average of 1 person a year. Information regarding the number of and method used in executions is publicly available to anybody.

-Taiwanese spit, fart, burp and smoke less in public than mainlanders.

-When you ask a Taiwanese on the street for directions, he/she typically either gives you clear directions or tells you he isn’t sure. Ask a mainlander, and you frequently have half a dozen people mobbing you, trying to work their own angle, e.g., “I can take you there for RMB 200!” or “you don’t want to go there, you should go here instead!”

-In most relatively well developed cities on the mainland, there are a lot more brothels than there are in any city in Taiwan.

-Taiwanese people don’t let their government heard them like cattle through bullshit “security” procedures like when people entering Tiananmen Square, the underground or any major public venue in Beijing are required to have their bags X-rayed. Nobody in a position of authority in Taiwan has done anything to piss off any ethnic group or dissidents to the degree where such procedures would even seem half-sensible to any right thinking person.

-Mainlanders talk louder than Taiwanese.

-The ROC government does not see a need to interfere with how many kids every family has and has not sterilized anybody or taken away anybody’s baby.

-An organ transplant team in Taipei fucked up royally by giving HIV to five people who would have reasonably expected that they would not get such a disease from a transplant operation. The hospital and the doctors accepted full responsibility. Tens of thousands of poor bastards in Hunan and other provinces were given HIV when donating blood. Has anybody said sorry? Has anybody really taken full responsibility?

-In Taiwan, in a broad sense, “5,000 years of Chinese civilization” continues. In the PRC, civilization and civilized behavior seem to have ended around 1949.

Please feel free to add any other comparisons that you feel illustrate the differences between Taiwan and the mainland.[/quote]

EPIC WIN :discodance:

[quote=“Jive Turkey”]-In Taiwan, in a broad sense, “5,000 years of Chinese civilization” continues. In the PRC, civilization and civilized behavior seem to have ended around 1949.
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Um…I think China (not the PRC, of course, by definition) has been seriously fucked up for quite a bit longer than that.

It was the Japanese that brought their brand of civilization to Taiwan.

I’m guessing you have “taught” in a university here. Or at least been to some staff meetings.

[quote=“TheAmericanNomad”][quote=“Jive Turkey”]
-In most relatively well developed cities on the mainland, there are a lot more brothels than there are in any city in Taiwan.
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I thought you were trying to point out the advantages of Taiwan? :loco:[/quote]

This. Well, I guess Taiwan isn’t perfect, but it leaves something to work towards.

Eeeek, the mainlanders’ panties are even worse? I thought the TW standard “Grannypants” are bad already…combined with the padded bras. Well, nice if that’s perfect for you - I’ll gladly stay with strings and unpadded bras…[/quote]

I was just rather impressed that JiveTurkey has done such a comprehensive underwear survey :slight_smile:

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I’m sure this has been well known to y’all for ever, but I just recently learned that Taiwanese girls quite often (when wearing skirts/floaty dresses) wear 2 pairs. There’s an outer pair for “safety” (modesty) and an inner pair for “sexy”. That might give the impression that they’re more frumpy than they actually are, at bottom.

Just wanted to share my new insight. Pathetic really, I suppose.

Hee hee. “At bottom.” Pun intended or not?

This insight is going to be very distracting for me tomorrow as I wander around campus and try to ignore (or at least not be seen noticing) all the sexy skirts. You’re telling me that they’re somehow fitting something even sexier underneath?!

I’ve noticed (purely from academic interest, obviously) that those impossibly-attenuated ones are not actually skirts, they’re sort of floaty shorts. Presumably to avoid the two-pairs-of-underwear scenario, which must get distressingly sweaty.

Hee hee. “At bottom.” Pun intended or not. [/quote]

OF COURSE it bloody was, Beavis. :aiyo:

(Well, yeees and…) NO! :aiyo: Do try and keep up! I’m telling you that, although you may catch a flash (or more, of course, depending on how lucky you get) of rather frumpy “granny’s black bloomers” under the sexy skirt, do not despair,young man, because under the “granny’s black bloomers” that are under the sexy skirt, may nestle diaphanous lacy red silky things.

See, you can teach an old dog new knicks. (Whether there’s any point to doing so is another matter).

[quote=“steev”]Why not have a little bit of fun? Tell them you have a few Taiwanese friends who are really sorry that Taiwan didnt stay as a part of Japan, as they would then live in a richer, cleaner and better-ordered society…
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(actually I only ever once met a Taiwanese guy that said that to me, but its not something I ever asked people, so there might be a lot more out there… also it was 20 years ago and Taiwan has caught up on Japan a lot in the meantime…)[/quote]
In fact this was my impression since my first (short) visit to Taiwan in 2011, everybody was using the words “Japanese colonial period” or “Japanese occupation”, but wording these as if they were the highest compliment. Practically everybody asked further continued the story about the civilisation growth during the Japanese time, and in fact when they
Go to any museum or any historical object has something to do with the Japanese times (starting from the Presidential Palace, passing through the Mazu temple in Dajia (Taichung) and ending with quite unimportant building in Tainan still bearing the name of the “Japanese Patriotic Women’s Association Building”, and just listen how the guides will be be telling you about these times. Sure you can hear in their voice not only they are proud of that period of Taiwan history (of course that was not a period of China’s history), of the sons of Taiwan who fought in Japanese army etc. You can feel their real nostalgia, and that not only if they are 80 years old. My teacher of Chinese at NTNU went with me once to the Red House in Taipei and was showing me the old pictures and newspaper cuts from Japanese newspapers she is still keeping after her parents’ death, and telling me about these times with a trembling voice - trembling with positive emotions (and herself she was born after 1949, so she couldn’t remember them). And I know many people who think like that, in wording they continue the official speak about “occupation”, but in their lips the word “occupation” sounds almost like “liberation”.

Of course these feeling are rarely encountered in the families of those who came to Taiwan between 1945 and 1949.

PS. I may agree that after 7 years this message here is maybe out of everything, but I couldn’t resist posting it, and I have no idea where else could I have posted it if here was the message which triggered this reflection.

tell them to go home and check their facebook account to see what all the Taiwanese people are saying… oh wait they can’t

[quote=“noychoH”][quote=“steev”]Why not have a little bit of fun? Tell them you have a few Taiwanese friends who are really sorry that Taiwan didnt stay as a part of Japan, as they would then live in a richer, cleaner and better-ordered society…
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(actually I only ever once met a Taiwanese guy that said that to me, but its not something I ever asked people, so there might be a lot more out there… also it was 20 years ago and Taiwan has caught up on Japan a lot in the meantime…)[/quote]
In fact this was my impression since my first (short) visit to Taiwan in 2011, everybody was using the words “Japanese colonial period” or “Japanese occupation”, but wording these as if they were the highest compliment. Practically everybody asked further continued the story about the civilisation growth during the Japanese time. . . .


Of course these feeling are rarely encountered in the families of those who came to Taiwan between 1945 and 1949.[/quote]

Thanks for sharing those insights. I’ve often wondered about that.

A popular saying in Taiwan after 1945: “The dogs have left, but the pigs have arrived”

IF the USA had given Taiwan back to the Japanese and had helped install the ROC on the island of Hainan instead. Then today we will have Taiwan as still part of Japan . And not have the taioyutai islet problem.

The ROC / PRC debacle will be the Hainan/ China one. And Hainan will be what Taiwan is today.

IF the USA had given Taiwan back to the Japanese and had helped install the ROC on the island of Hainan instead. Then today we will have Taiwan as still part of Japan . And not have the taioyutai islet problem.

The ROC / PRC debacle will be the Hainan/ China one. And Hainan will be what Taiwan is today.