Democracy is the key to reunification of China and Taiwan

5 more years after the beijing olympics, mainland china will be a lot more different both politically and economically.
[/b]Democracy and free elections in China will mean reunification of the Chinese nation as at hand.
We in Taiwan had shown that we Chinese deserves democracy and it works for us too here in taiwan, we in the ROC will have the blueprint for democracy to take hold in mainland China.
In the very near future, we’ll see both the KMT and CCP competing in a free presidential election in China, if it can happen in Russia and her sattelites, why not in China.
Freedom and democracy that’s being practice in the Republic of China is the real future hope of our mainland brothers and sisters.
75% of taiwanese wants to reunify with a free and democratic China.
We in the ROC have spoken,
No to one party communist dictatorship.
Yes to freedom and democracy.
Never to taiwan independence.

Why 5 years after the olympics and not 500? And exactly how will democracy and free elections come about on a national scale in China?

Why would 23 million voters want to be lumped into a pool of 1.4 billion voters? Wouldn’t their limited numbers prevent their voice from being heard and their rights from being trampled?

The Chinese leaders do not care so much about their people as themselves. It kind of seems the communists like to hold on to power, but maybe I’m wrong.

The only brothers and sisters on the mainland are there studying or doing business. Maybe you meant great - great - grandparents.

And, what’s so terrible about formalizing the independence Taiwan already enjoys? The PRC has no enforceable claims nor rights; thus, they need missiles. Who will be happy if forced to unify?

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Hello Kitty is the key to National Reunification! Go People’s Shabu-shabu Republic of Hello Kitty!

Federalism is the key to reunification. Worked for the Republic of Texas :laughing:

It can be argued that democracy on Taiwan can barely keep Taiwan together at times.

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taiwan is doing great in most aspects of democracy except for “political culture”…thanks to mindless obstruction by pan blues…which Ma admits to:

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Simple solution. Vote KMT in as the ruling party, and there will be no more opposition. Oh wait, DPP will then be doing the obstructing. Never mind. :roflmao:

Anyone saw the pictures from San Francisco; where the pro-ROC folks and the pro-TI folks stood face-to-face behind barricades. Quite humorous. Taiwan is doomed. Doomed, I tell ya. :laughing:

If democracy were to sorta happen in China, I don’t see it occuring in a sort of big-bang. Currently, China has elections, but implemented at the village level and their results effectively have no direct influence on the election of the top party brass. I think that if democracy were to happen there, perhaps even in the next 20 years, that CCP might move to a sort of Hong Kong model allowing people to directly elect some of the legislators, without losing effective means to sort of rig the election anyway, by installing their own representives who will always comprise the majority of the seats.
But I doubt that the push for a democratization would arise from a Taiwan’s “blueprint” of democracy. The push would not be from foreign powers either, unlike what is being played out in the Middle East. Rather, the push would probably come from within, by societal demands and the development of societal forces, such as peasents or civil society, and with the activation of new vehicles to express real life-or-death grievances as a result of the economic growth, bringing about social development, that was thrust upon them by the party leadership’s grand strategy, as well as interfactional pursuits within the CCP.
I think the danger lies in the possibility that significant parts of Chinese society are being left in the dust of China’s greater economic development as we speak. This is further deepening the cleavages between the members of society at large, and between the haves and have-nots in particular. This is perhaps precisely why the government continues to adamantly support economic growth in hopes to balance out its riches. Or is this really the case?I think China really has little choice but to care for the fringes of society because, this day in age, the demos would most certainly rise. Let’s hope China’s economic growth doesn’t fizzle out soon with a bang, and perhaps trigger a democratic, but not so quiet, revolution.

[quote=“Humanism123”]Democracy and free elections in China will mean reunification of the Chinese nation as at hand.
We in Taiwan had shown that we Chinese deserves democracy and it works for us too here in Taiwan, we in the ROC will have the blueprint for democracy to take hold in mainland China.
In the very near future, we’ll see both the KMT and CCP competing in a free presidential election in China, if it can happen in Russia and her sattelites, why not in China.
Freedom and democracy that’s being practice in the Republic of China is the real future hope of our mainland brothers and sisters.
75% of Taiwanese wants to reunify with a free and democratic China.
We in the ROC have spoken,
No to one party communist dictatorship.
Yes to freedom and democracy.
Never to Taiwan independence.[/quote]

Sounds like you’ve got it all worked out. Which handbook are you working from?

Oh dear.

Oh dear, oh dear.

Lord help us.

Do they?

Have you really? I obviously didn’t hear “you” due to all the discordant opinions the others in the ROC (politicians at least) were shouting at each other.

My greatest fear, besides falling prey to an internet scam, is that democracy on the mainland only means the mindless mob in the future PRC will be more than happy to support a war against the ROC.

With 1.3 billion people, there’s bound to be at 4 or 5 GW Bush counterparts roaming on the mainland waiting for democracy to put them in office.

Do people here really believe China is ready for democracy? I think many of us Americans tend to think that our own democracy was somethng that simply popped up in a single stroke of brilliance, when in reality we had a populace that had already been living in colonies where legislatures were elected, power changed hands peacefully, individual rights were upheld, and crimes were punished fairly (for the most part). Lets not pretend all those things happened in a day.

In a country like China, where the government has already gotten quite comfortable with violating the rights of its own people on a regular basis, the notion that it would voluntarily give those same people any real power to affect policy and who makes it is far-fetched at best, ridiculous at worst.

You heard it here first, from Sunny BiTan! :bow:

I wonder why no one ever argues the merit of a republic for the PRC…

I propose that China be “de-Sinified” (on analogy with “de-Nazification” and “de-Baathization”). That is, the very concepts of “China” and a “Chinese” identity ought to be wiped out. This can be done by dividing China into oh, twenty or thirty independent countries, and encouraging their languages and cultures to diverge. Unlikely, I know–but the world would be a better place if it happened.

My bet is the USA federation will fall apart before the PRC at this point.

One can only dream… :unamused:

[quote=“ac_dropout”]My bet is the USA federation will fall apart before the PRC at this point.

One can only dream… :unamused:[/quote]

You have to be careful there that it didnt turn into a nightmare for the Chinese.

The PRC passed the Anti Secession Laws in 2005. Many believe to intimidate Taiwan from declaring independence.

While that may be true, the move could also be aimed at the richer parts of the country. Places like Shanghai and Guangdong. Those rich fatcat Chinese found there who made it may not want to be tied down by the rest of the country which is still pretty much third world. Some are reportedly showing fairly independent streaks. While the central government talks cooling down the economy, the growth/expansion rate of the economies in those eastern provinces have been running away. This coupled with the fact that the current leadership is in a constant power struggle with whats known as the Shanghai Clique representing the power base of a former president, who reputedly still have a lot of pull with elements in the PLA theres much more worry for Beijing than for Washington when it comes to a possible national breakup.

Then theres also the perpetual issues of Tibet and the Uighur Xinjiang…

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The peasants revolt against avarious local authorities mostly. And this is part of a larger problem, of how well the central government can hold the country together. Beijing’s message of building a harmonious society, seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

Look also at all those coal mines “accidents”, which occured because local cadres did not shut down unsafe mines, or allowed others to continue operation in excess of permissible capacity; all despite central edict to the contrary.