Democratic National Convention

Pinesay, if you’re going to accuse the Democrats of anything, you don’t have to make your points completely ridiculous by opening up direct comparison to the weak points of the Republicans.

Nice going on getting into how disadvantaged the Republicans have been throughout the past three years of complete sweetheart wartime news coverage. The Bush administration has thrived from the complete lack of oversight from the fourth estate. Funny thing is that every time the GOPsters start whining about the “liberal media,” they’ve usually been caught with their hand in the cookie jar again.

With regards to Bush “showing leadership” I love that you used that phrase much beloved by his administration. The Americans have had enough of “showing” and would like a bit of actual leadership – perhaps a guy who doesn’t have the deficit-spending habits of a crack whore, perhaps somebody who can hold back for one minute before awarding massive no-bid contracts to his cronies, maybe even somebody who can put the practical needs of the United States above neoconman ideology for just 5 minutes. The buck has to stop somewhere, but despite having the White House and both houses of Congress, the Republibots just don’t understand responsibility and accountability.

As a “war” president, Bush has really been one for the record books. It’s been a while since the last time a country has used 150,000 troops to invade the wrong damn place. Whoops! He’s a regular Napoleon. In past wars, there has always been some profiteering going on, but it’s effin’ hilarious that the veep is still taking paychecks from Halliburton, whose’s Brown & Root subsidiary gets to supply the troops. These jokers can’t even ensure they got adequate food, water, ceramic armor plates, etc. – and Bush couldn’t even give a crap about taking care of the men aside for dishing up a little turkey at Thanksgiving. Instead, Bush has kept himself busy cutting veteran benefits and sitting on his ass while National Guard and Reserve paychecks don’t make it to the people bearing the brunt of the war effort.

Bush couldn’t even face the 9/11 Commission alone, but then that’s consistent with his “absent at the wheel” presidential style and his past history as a coward. On the contrary, Democrats have no fear when Kerry speaks – he’s not a fireball, but he’s also not the sort of complete mumbling, fumbling jackass we’ve currently got in the White House. Bush sees the world in black and white, but then so do my dogs.

As a historical note, the United States was dragged kicking and screaming into World War II by the Japanese blowing up Pearl Harbor and the Germans immediately declaring war on us. We declared war back on them, but it really had no relevance as to whether we were safer or not. In case you were not aware (and since you have an obviously weak grasp of facts), we were a late entrant to that war. I don’t see how citing to World War II will help support how the United States should unilaterally jump into a global, open-ended war on terror by invading Iraq, a country with no relationship to terror attacks upon the U.S., but I guess that’s part of the ol’ razzle dazzle Bush will have to use to distract attention from his mess of a presidency.

Which “facts” are you talking about? You make a lot of cliche assertions about Bush, and now about me, but with little factual substatiation.

I at least did some digging around to on CNN.com to show you that you were misinformed about Chenney doing all the talking on the 9/11 testitmony. Nice how you sort of side-stepped that one.

Were there any “facts” in my last post that were “weak”? Which ones? Come on! I dare you. BE SPECIFIC. I’m willing to discuss them with you, but you will have to be held accountable for your miriad of pot-shots.

“If a person doesn’t have the capacity that we all want that person to have, I suspect hope is in the far distant future, if at all.” -George W. Bush, May 22, 2001

[quote=“EEzzee!”]all these pictures of Kerry deserve a suitable rebuttal…

Here’s GWB preparing his dinner:
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Hear and understand: not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.

Matthew 15:11

Pinesay, What facts? We can start with your spelling of Cheney’s name, but that would be a bit cheap. With regards to Bush’s 9/11 Commission testimony, I have no doubt that it looked like Bush was doing most of the talking… but that’s how ventriloquism is supposed to work.

To name a few facts that are weak in your post, please demonstrate that Democrats are afraid to have Kerry speak and that they are hiding him away. I see him on TV and all over the newspapers pretty much every day – a lot more than I see Bush these past couple of months.

Please show us what metrics would be used by the “liberal media” to compare Quayle and Kerry and precisely how the comparison would be negative for Kerry. While you’re at it, please explain the metrics for evaluating what qualifies media as “liberal” or not and please demonstrate that there has been any actual bias in the coverage of the Bush presidency.

Please provide some basis for your statement about the “looney” stuff Kerry says that is never reported. Oh, that’s right… you’re weak on your facts. Sorry. There was no basis for your statement.

That’s it? :loco:

There is a difference between FACT and OPINION. Most of my post was opinion of what I think Bush is doing and what that vision represents. I also claimed that the media are willing accomplices in Kerry-cloaking. However, some of my statements were fact or near-fact, like:

  1. We declared war on Germany in WWII (fact).
  2. Things got worse after we declared war, not better (quasi-fact).
  3. I misspelt Cheney’s name (fact).
  4. Kerry has a consistent 20-year voting history (fact).

My OPINIONS are here:

  1. Bush has a vision to tackle terroism as an all-out war.
  2. Bush knows the political risks of what he is doing.
  3. The UN doesn’t care about our defense.
  4. The Germans don’t care either.
  5. The French don’t either.
  6. Democrats currently don’t put forth a credible strategy for anti-terrorism.
  7. It will take upwards fo 30 years to win against Islamofacism.
  8. The major media, along with his campaign have been rather silent on Kerry’s blunders (One of the latest being where Kerry says he believes “life begins at conception” … got little play in the meida … But what if Bush came out tomorrow and said, “I believe life doesn’t begin at conception” … That would be front-page news for a week … because it would hurt Bush (washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy … ge=printer).

I do admit that the “major media” is disolving. Fox News is a great example of “diversity” in the media. I go there more now than I do CNN.com, because I’ll get video clips and news of reporters actually asking the tough intellectual questions of liberals that you don’t see often on CNN.com. For example, they actually point out the fact that Teresa Heinz Kerry lied that she didn’t say “un-American”, whereas CNN emphasizes her for being a hero for telling the reporter to “shove it”. Two different slants, but now at least I can get the conservative take, whereas the liberal media monopoly of the last 50 years hasn’t allowed much but one side.

[quote=“The Magnificent Tigerman”]JOHN Kerry WANTS TO BE AN ASTRONAUT WHEN HE GROWS UP

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:[/quote]

Somewhere in heaven, Lee Atwater is licking his chops – I’m sure there will be more damaging pictures of Kerry coming out. After all, he can never say no to a camera shot, the egotistical brahmin he is.

I for one would like to see proof that Cheney has in anyway behaved inappropriately with regard to Halliburton? Got anything there? If you do, alert the press, alert the courts, there should be a trial, but you don’t do you?

Anything on Halliburton? Nope. Why is there no court case, no media frenzy? There certainly are cases going ahead for Martha Stewart, Enron, Worldcom, why not for Halliburton? Just curious where these “facts” are.

It’s off-topic, but the declaration of war on Germany in WWII had nothing to do with whether things got better or worse for the United States afterwards. The Japanese attacked (thus we were already in a state of war) and then the Germans declared war on us. Our declaring war on them really didn’t change the fact that the Japanese and Germans were already at war with us. Please show how our declaration of war on the Germans led to things being better or worse for the United States.

Quasi fact or just plain crazy fact? OK, you’re just plain illogical.

[quote=“mofangongren”]It’s off-topic, but the declaration of war on Germany in WWII had nothing to do with whether things got better or worse for the United States afterwards. The Japanese attacked (thus we were already in a state of war) and then the Germans declared war on us. Our declaring war on them really didn’t change the fact that the Japanese and Germans were already at war with us. Please show how our declaration of war on the Germans led to things being better or worse for the United States.

Quasi fact or just plain crazy fact? OK, you’re just plain illogical.[/quote]

My point is that this war against Islamofacism is like most wars where things get worse before they get better. That is the nature of going to war. You have to invest and go through challenges before victory can be achived. However, you’d never think that was necessary from the detractors from the war on Islamofacism and President Bush. A lot of politics has pandered to the Gen-Xers who demand Atari/Nintendo/Sega/PS2/XBox-type victories, as if you expect things to be all fine and dandy a day after hostilities, just like a video game. This is a real war. It is actually a World War. It is a war against Islomofacism. It is going to take a lot of blood, sweat and tears. America is too complacent. It will take a few more attacks on American soil to wake us up. It might even take a nuclear blast killing millions and sending us into another Great Depression. No more Starbucks. No more Costco. No more taking prosperity for granted. Too bad only a few people like Bush actually see what is coming. But trust me. When NY or SF is wiped off the map by a nuclear blast … Who will the Democrats blame: George Bush.

Pinesay, you’re just digging yourself in deeper. What on earth are you actually trying to say? Pick as many as may be applicable:

a) World War II is a good example of a war that got worse before it got better – i.e., as the U.S. got closer to winning it, the situation became less bleak than it was when the Germans and Japanese were strong enough to think they could take us on.

b) The U.S. declaration of war upon Germany (after the Axis nations had already gone to war against us) somehow made things worse for Americans… but it eventually got better.

c) We are engaged in a “war of civilizations” against the Islamic world that will require a serious “World War” style commitment from Americans.

d) More attacks and deaths upon U.S. soil will be needed to ensure that Americans stop being complacement and start to appreciate prosperity.

e) Only a few visionaries like Bush can see that NY or SF will be destroyed by nuclear attack … and when they are destroyed everybody will end up blaming Bush.

Regarding this last point, I admit that I would tend to blame Bush if he really can “see what is coming” and then lets it happen just to teach American slackers to stop being complacent.

[quote=“mofangongren”]Pinesay, you’re just digging yourself in deeper. What on earth are you actually trying to say? Pick as many as may be applicable:

a) World War II is a good example of a war that got worse before it got better – i.e., as the U.S. got closer to winning it, the situation became less bleak than it was when the Germans and Japanese were strong enough to think they could take us on.

b) The U.S. declaration of war upon Germany (after the Axis nations had already gone to war against us) somehow made things worse for Americans… but it eventually got better.

c) We are engaged in a “war of civilizations” against the Islamic world that will require a serious “World War” style commitment from Americans.

d) More attacks and deaths upon U.S. soil will be needed to ensure that Americans stop being complacement and start to appreciate prosperity.

e) Only a few visionaries like Bush can see that NY or SF will be destroyed by nuclear attack … and when they are destroyed everybody will end up blaming Bush.

Regarding this last point, I admit that I would tend to blame Bush if he really can “see what is coming” and then lets it happen just to teach American slackers to stop being complacent.[/quote]

My point is not all that complicated. It is simply that troop deaths went up before they went down towards victory in WWII, the same many wars go. However, success and failure guaged by the left in this war are often based on troop deaths in Iraq. That’s all. No need to put extra words in my mouth. I really have no response to the rest of your post, as it … isn’t even close to where I was going.

It is the same in financial investing. It is a kind of axiom of life. You have to invest first (negative cash flows) before you see returns on your investment (positive cash flows). However, we as a nation have gotten used to instant success. If we can’t see quick returns in TV-drama-type-fashion, we get our shorts all torqued and call the war a failure. “Look, people are dying … It must be a failure.” “Look, there are setbacks … It must be a faiulre.”

The Osama’s of the world are planning to kill millions of Americans in an upcoming attack. “THEY” are making long-term investments in our destruction. It may be tomorrow. It may be five years from now, but it is coming. Remember how we were sooooo shocked that they could pull off something as devistating as 9/11? Well, they can pull of greater things because they are more fanatical about their attack than we are about our defense.

BTW, the spokespeople for Kerry often blame Bush for 9/11. Perfect example of a mainstream HATE-BUSH site:

moveon.org

There’s no reason for me to doubt that the next terrorist attack will be blamed on Bush too. Everything is Bush’s fault, including my credit card late payment.

This is my favorite parody of Bush-HATE kind of logic from our own Pastor Deacon Fred Smith:

[Bush is so BAADDDD

[quote=“pinesay”]BTW, the spokespeople for Kerry often blame Bush for 9/11. Perfect example of a mainstream HATE-Bush site:

moveon.org

There’s no reason for me to doubt that the next terrorist attack will be blamed on Bush too. Everything is Bush’s fault, including my credit card late payment.[/quote]

Eli Pariser, spokesman and one of the founders of Move On, was one of my close friends growing up. He’s always been an activist, even when he was in elementary school, founding the “nature club,” going on AIDs walks, anti nuke marches, etc. He’s always been a pacifist and was picked on and beat up constantly at our school for being a “fag,” “hippy” and a “commie,” but he never fought back because he is truly a pacifist. He doesn’t believe in brute force to solve problems and he’s kept that philosophy to this day. To say Move On is a hate mongering organization is extreme to say the least. The fact is, Move On believes Bush is a very dangerous man and they’re not going to pull any punches with their advertisements. Having friends who are serving in Iraq (who I can tell you believe Rumsfeld should be tossed out on his arse for the way he’s handled the occupation) and having lost family members in Vietnam, I don’t have much trust for another administration talking about “winning hearts and minds.”

I’m not going to blame Bush for another terrorist attack, I blame 50 years of American foreign policy (but that’s another story). So contrary to a lot of the right wingers on this site, we don’t hate America, we just feel the government has crossed the line and Bush is the worst President since Ulysses S Grant.

Sorry, to butt in, but when are we gonna declare war on the Christian Facists down in Bible belt? Doesn’t seem like there’s much of a difference…zealots and the like…

Spawn of Satan Convention

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2004/072604p.htm

Wow. That’s a keeper. Democrats complain constantly about “right-wingers” calling them un-American or un-Patriotic. That really gets them stirred up. But commens like this actually let us get under the hood of some of the hate that going on on the left these days.

I hope that was satire. Please tell me it was. If not, you just might as well as start talking about gassing Jews. Not much difference.

[quote=“spook”]Spawn of Satan Convention

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2004/072604p.htm[/quote]

My favorite quotes:

“As for the pretty girls, I can only guess that it’s because liberal boys never try to make a move on you without the UN Security Council’s approval.”

“With any luck, Gore will uncork his speech comparing Republicans to Nazis.”

"Looking at the line-up of speakers at the Convention, I have developed the 7-11 challenge:

…and Republicans endlessly whinge about a Liberal media, about Liberals educating their children, and Liberals lacking morals.

Is there no hatred going on, on the Right? Newton’s Third Law suggests otherwise.

Hatred of homosexual unions; hatred of social security, hatred of Medicare, hatred of jobs…