Do Greenlanders want to join America?

… would it make China more likely to attack Taiwan? If yes, would the US do anything about it?

I would obviously hope that America will still protect it’s interests on this side of the world, but I’ve been starting to wonder if its expansionism would encourage our Westerly neighbor.

Did you hear about the recent encounter between the US and CCP carrier groups in the Taiwan strait?

The Chinese were jammed and scouted before they even realized the US were there. When the Commies sent their jets to intercept it was already too late. The US had already done everything they needed to do.

Calling it a war would be a joke. The CCP Chinese would have no more face to lose. And fragile governments tend to buckle under the pressure of war…especially against the strongest power in the world by far.

But again all America would have to do to deter the commies would be to blockade the strait of Malaca.

When America officially takes control of Greenland (we have our bases there already and are growing them anyway) then the Chinese and Russians will be assured that this America is very different from pre 2024…

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You have to be relatively deranged to believe what you are writing at the end. This means forcefully taking territory from an ally and that any that trust any current US ally has in the US has evaporated over night.

Hence, China and Russia have then achieved their primary objective to divide the west, separate the US from its allies in the Asia pacific. Any one with a US base will be moving hastily to get that off their territory asap.

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The US does have military bases in Greenland and are growing them. If America wants to stay…what can the Danes do? Throw snowballs whilst yelling a Danish battle cry? “Skoll!” :wink:

But they can put a picture on their emblem and say “please Greenland please stay!”

An ally? Denmark won’t even pay for its share for ITS protection under NATO. Ally? Nah. Freeloader? Ja!

Asking to buy it is a formality but the topic is on Chinas dependence on America not getting too involved Vis a vis Taiwan.

The West were never allies - just meat shields for a Soviet invasion. Russia is a dump that can’t even push past Ukraine. China has no more working adults and can’t even rule over its own claimed lands.

And the only part of Europe that America really cares about is the one that will genuinely align with her interests. Hello Poland :slight_smile:

The real issue is Europe freeloading for so long that it forgot how the world works. European nations can start by paying for their own military.

Didn’t mean to kick up such a shitstorm, just concerned about Taiwan.

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Welcome to the politics threads!

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The lack of second-order thinking on these Greenland “might is right” takes is breathtaking, isn’t it. Absolute caveman logic fit for children and mental ward patients. Yet here we are, this logic being attempted to be normalized, with straight faces and all.

I am starting to assume that if Trump tells some of these dingos to leave their families and join a “commune” hosted in Mar-a-Lago, they would.

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… in the meanwhile, Xi and Putin are sitting in front of the TV, eating popcorn and enjoying the show…

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I’d say they are very much concerned, wondering what this guy is going to do next - exactly where we want them :grin:

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Nah, they are not concerned, they just need to send over some Russian hookers to keep Trump happy for a while :wink:

I think you’ve missed how our internal instability has affected relations with our close allies…

Let’s look at a few of the far right parties in the eu (which certainly have taken notes from trump in rhetoric). The one that comes to mind for me - since I lived there - is that of Austria. They’ve gained significant popularity over the last few years, albeit imo primarily as a protest vote, but some of this certainly has come on the back of scapegoating the US for what is “wrong with the west” and attributing all the woes of the moment on the extremely small Austrian involvement in the Russia-Ukraine struggle.

They’ll never say it out loud, but the FPÖ’s ties to Russia are clear as day. I mean, they had - to put it in words you’ll certainly understand - their own Hunter Biden. Karin Kneissl - a former member of the party - had Putin at her wedding. She left the FPÖ’s after the Ibiza-affair, in which the leader of the party at the time tried to basically buy electoral support from a woman masquerading as a relation of a Russian oligarch in exchange for business deals. She then rolled into a job at RT and from there into a position at a Russian oil concern, and is now also the president of a Russian think tank which is exceptionally… Russian.

One mustn’t put on glasses to see a similar trend continuing with the current leader of the party - he might not be corrupt, but he certainly is willing to play friendly with countries (Russia, for example) that are against the “west’s” interests. This isn’t limited to Austria. Similar parties elsewhere have made leaps by painting the US as a puppet holder over their countries and unsurprisingly are hard for many things which would please countries like, say, Russia. Germany’s AfD, Serbia’s current ruling party, Orban in Hungary, Le Pen’s party (Rassemblent National or something, I’m too smart to speak french), the list goes on.

I can understand the appeal of the transactional nature of Trump - you and me probably see eye to eye on the matter of NATO contributions, for example - but if China has proven anything, it’s that buying friends doesn’t really work out so well. The belt and road initiative hasn’t bought them any significant support in many of the countries it’s been involved in, and some countries (Czechia comes to mind) have actually developed worse relations as a result. We’ve worked a long time to establish deep relationships with our allies and have done so through consistency and dependability. There was ofc an element of cash to it - marshal plan - but this was accompanied by stable helmsmanship.

And while you might laugh off the military power of our allies, proving that we are consistent and dependable allies is important to maintaining many of the benefits that keep the USA - with or without involvement in international crises - as a major power player, like for example trade deals, the petrodollar, and our bases and support in Europe and elsewhere. But most importantly, it seriously damages allies’ view of us as a stable and reasonable partner. Threatening Canada and Europe with significant tariffs for - what exactly? - is a perfect example of antagonizing behavior toward allies that doesn’t make sense when there’s a potential serious global conflict with China looming. As are pushing claims on Greenland, when we could get what we really want there - military presence - through continuing to do what we have been doing. We already have military presence there, after all. And this has been offered by the Danish as of only two days ago.

Did we really need all that? Or could we sit down with them, as a stable and powerful ally, and make one of those deals which trump professes to be such an artist in…?

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Concerned about which of America’s allies he is going to threaten next?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Pay up their dues. We’ll talk allies :sunglasses:

It’s never a mutually beneficial relationship anyway - without the European countries the US will do just fine. W/o the US, Europe, hmm… what happened during WWII again, and what’s happening now… The US is just being a good (and super strong) neighbor who doesn’t live in the same bad neighborhood. Not saying it’s a bad thing to help out the small and weak countries but it’s just helping out…

Wow, pretty ungrateful for all the blood and treasure that NATO spilled in Afghanistan. And for what.

Lots of people, mostly young, served their countries, or on behalf of their countries, and many sacrificed their lives, in wars. Honorable thing they did. I don’t think the loss of lives should be used in the context of treaty negotiations - disrespectful. That said, treaties still need to be negotiated.

And yet, here we are.

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It wasn’t me who brought up the blood spilled.

Right, you said

Clearly not bringing up the dues paid.

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No change in likely hood, as US military is already based in Greenland and Arctic areas in general anyways.

US and Allies are geared up to defend Taiwan regardless.

Greenland may want to join the U.S. as a state as well so there might be a mutual agreement there.