My university granted me a scholarchip starting this september …
I have a student ARC, married recently and I thought about going soon abroad to do a visa run, so I finally can apply for me Joining Family resident Visa (JFRV).
I checked the internet, the MOE (Ministry of Education) mention students receive the support only if they are in Taiwan based on a student visa. Any change of visa will have a cancellation of the support.
Is that really true ?? If you are here on a work-visa, this rule would make sense for me. But my purpose and time is just the same, ity doesn’t matter if married or unmarried …
So why this rule ??
Anybody received a scholarchip in the past made an experience and wanna share their thoughts in here ??
With a student visa you can’t work, so you get the scholarship… with a JFRV you can work anywhere, so you don’t need the scholarship. It is not fair to work AND get a scholarship. Give the scholarship back if you want a JFRV…
Students are now able to get a visa for part time work in their field of study (or teaching English). According to the National Immigration Agency, a student can apply to work in Taiwan part time. Also, with a JFRV you have the right not to work, and if you’re a student, I’d hope that you’re not working too much because you need to focus on your studies.
There are many different kinds of scholarships on the MOE website. I’m guessing that the following information is what the MOE has for University Scholarships.
Those who study at Taiwan’s universities, colleges or their affiliated Mandarin training centers and have excellent performance academically and morally may contact the individual educational institutions they attend, for applications for a “Foreign Students Scholarship” Scholarship offerings vary from institution to institution. [/quote]
It seems to me that a scholarship issued by a university will follow regulations that vary from institution to institution. If it was me, I’d definitely do some more research into the details of my specific scholarship. You might encounter problems getting a JFRV if you wait too long after you get married.
MOE scholarship information is given for various different scholarships, and the MOE website notes that different agencies are involved for each:
The Taiwan International Graduate Program (TIGP) of Academia Sinica
MediaTek International Student Fellowship
Foreign Students Scholarship
MOFA Scholarship
MOE Scholarship
NSC Scholarship
MOEA Scholarship
[quote=“Taiwan Scholarship information at www.moe.gov.tw”]A recipient may be permanently disqualified from receiving a SPOT scholarship and the remaining stipends will be cancelled, if one of the following situations arises:
A. Degree Programs :
a. Failure to submit at the time of matriculation for each semester, an Alien Resident Certificate (ARC) with the reason “Study,” on the deadlines as specified by his/her university/college. [/quote]
The above qualification does seem to be a dilemma if you are indeed getting a MOFA, MOE, NSC or MOEA Scholarship, but it may in fact not be an obstacle if you have a JFRV. In that case, your university may not have a deadline for submitting a copy of your Student ARC if it will accept JFRV in its stead. The MOE site doesn’t say who you must submit the ARC to, and if the university is required to look at your ARC each semester to establish that you’re in Taiwan legally, you might be reading the situation in a strong way when it’s not applied so strongly.
It’s an interesting dilemma, but unless we know whether the scholarship in question is actually a Scholarship Program of Taiwan (SPOT) scholarship or instead is a university scholarship, I don’t see how we can determine where to proceed.
Your comment seems a bit rough and I don’t get your point. You think someone with a JFRV cannot have a scholarchip based on the fact, he indeed is free to work here ?? Do I have to work ??
And as twocs mentioned, I even now have limited, area restricted work-rights on a student-visa.
There may be a few people in here to take advantage from their weddings, but I am still a fulltime student and I don’t get the point why MOE (my scholarchip is from the Ministry of Education) requires to have a student-Visa only. What about long time married couples ?? We all are just students and people, who studying hard making good progress are awarded with scholarchips.
Again, this rule would make sense for people with a work-visa where the main focus is indeed not studying …
@ twocs
You got the point towards urodacus, I couldn’t said it better …
Thanks for your informations, a really nice help. Although I am a bit worried about your comment
( …You might encounter problems getting a JFRV if you wait too long after you get married. …)
I will sort the details out and will post them here later …
Be assured, I am a full time student, studying very hard, maybe even more weekly hours as
some people in here are working …
Well, they are the ones giving you the money, so they are allowed to set the terms. If you don’t like those terms, you can just refuse to take the money, and then you are not bound…
I was under the impression that the scholarships you are talking about are given to overseas students only, many of whom come from much poorer countries like the Phillipines. If you are married here, and get a JFRV then you are here by virtue of being married, and not as a student, so you don’t fall into the same category. If I am in error there, it is because you did not elaborate well enough in your first post.
And if you think it is all a bit rule-bound, grin and bear it. That’s Taiwan. Anyway, schools and governments everywhere have regulations to stop their system being rorted, so that’s why the visa and ARC barriers exist. If you think that you’re being treated badly, rest assured it is probably only because you are not part of the normal student experience, the norm that the rules are designed to protect.
I don’t see why you need to work on a student visa in a cheap place like Taiwan, especially once you are given a scholarship. I never had such a support package when I was at uni.
I think the main point here is that the Taiwanese Bureaucratic Mind expects certain things to be true. Students aren’t married. Married people work, they don’t study. Or if they study they do it over the course of years at night and then get written up in the papers when they receive their BA degree at 75. The other thing is that Taiwan has very few diplomatic chips to play, so offering scholarships is one of the few ways they can reward “good” nations that recognize them and/or attract individuals from other nations (who presumably will go back to those nations and say nice things about Taiwan) to come to Taiwan. If you’re on JFRV, obviously you already should be fairly sympathetic to Taiwan’s cause, and someone may have determined that there is no point offering you a scholarship for that reason.
There are some scholarships that do not stipulate what type of visa you must have. When I was doing my MA in Taiwan, I worked and held a scholarship. I was on an Article 51 (longterm good foreigner) work permit at the time. But to carry that off (although there was no specific rule against it) I had to really play down my working to the school, who Did Not Like It One Bit. Because (the Taiwanese Bureaucratic Mind reasons) Our Course is Very Difficult and Demanding and No One Could Possibly Work While Completing It Successfully.
And, since the second Rule of Taiwanese Bureaucracy is “The Rules Say So”, if the rules say you have to have a student visa, you can pretty much count on it. Unless it’s some situation where in practical terms no one would ever get a copy of or look at your visa (not true in this instance, I should think) the Rules Apply. Usually. Well, always if it is not in the foreigner’s favor.
[quote=“Lost_in_taibei”]My university granted me a scholarchip starting this september …
I have a student ARC, married recently and I thought about going soon abroad to do a visa run, so I finally can apply for me Joining Family resident Visa (JFRV).
I checked the internet, the MOE (Ministry of Education) mention students receive the support only if they are in Taiwan based on a student visa. Any change of visa will have a cancellation of the support.
Is that really true ?? If you are here on a work-visa, this rule would make sense for me. But my purpose and time is just the same, ity doesn’t matter if married or unmarried …
So why this rule ??
Anybody received a scholarchip in the past made an experience and wanna share their thoughts in here ??
Your help kindly appreciate, thank you …[/quote]
Has anyone managed to do it? Have a marraige visa and also get a scholarship I mean?
Ironlady’s right. Your best bet is to go directly to the MOE ask your question to many different bureacrats there, all of whom will give you conflicting answers (just like here, except they get paid for fucking you about).
Yours is not the normal situation they expect with students, and there might well be a scholarchip program available for you.
But aren’t you worried they’ll be able to trace you wherever you go? And getting it inserted probably hurts like a bastard, too.
I’m currently a student in Tamkang University’s language program. I got two scholarships this year, one from the school for students with high grades, and one given only to Americans (basically free tuition as long as you attend class - they refund it to you). I’m currently in the US trying to get TECO in San Fran to give their official OK to my high school transcripts and diploma so I can enter Tamkang University’s Chinese department in September.
They denied my new visa - “You’ve already studied Chinese for two years - that’s enough!” Oh, be serious, a person can’t become fluent enough in two years to be able to attend university classes - I still have trouble reading the newspaper! They could care less that I have the scholarship.
They won’t approve my transcripts and diploma because they’re in my maiden name, and my passport is in my married name. I brought my birth certificate with me so they could see that the birth date, birth place, and mother’s name which are on the transcripts are the same. Uh uh. “It doesn’t match your passport.” Duh, I got married (twice, actually). I’m still trying to get all this straightened out. I don’t care about the visa, I’ll just go back on my passport for 30 days then hop over to Hong Kong, but I need the other stuff approved or I don’t get into uni!
I hate government workers…any country, they’re all the same. Phooey.
