# Do you think America will come to Taiwan’s aid if China attacks? Should it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Taiwan Politics\ **Created:** [December 16, 2015, 8:55am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637 "2015-12-16T08:55:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![OysterOmelet](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/oysteromelet/32/219695_2.png) [@OysterOmelet](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OysterOmelet)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1334 "2024-06-05T22:08:03Z")
> [@14\_of\_spades](#): > > Does anyone know if the current “threat” (i.e. Xi Jinping seemingly very serious about taking Taiwan) is any more or less serious than what we’ve been seeing these last 70+ years? How does it compare? Is it the same-old hysterics or is the current vocal commitment to getting things done meaningfully more serious? No, I don’t think so. From what I’ve read about the history of Chinese international relations, they’ve been using pompous language since time immemorial. There’s a YouTuber I follow called 文睿 who’s noticed. They’ll make a threat, then not follow up, then change the subject like it never happened. For example, Xi said, “The day the US sends military aircraft on the island, is the day the red line is crossed.” Then Senator Duckworth comes in a military plane, and Xi acts like nothing happened. ---
**Author:** ![TT](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tt/32/271883_2.png) [@TT](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TT)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1335 "2024-06-06T00:30:23Z")
> [@14\_of\_spades](#): > > How does it compare? China is more prepared than it has ever been militarily, but also has more to lose economically. A big difference is Xi himself, who has consolidated all power under himself and made this a personal issue. It’s a wildcard that wasn’t really there under previous leaders since Mao. I think economically and demographically, even if they don’t attack, the trends are not on China’s favor which makes the next few years something of a now or never moment. Again, this is new. A lot of it boils down to whether Xi thinks the best time is soon, and if he thinks they’re ready, and if he thinks the US will get involved. > [@OysterOmelet](#): > > From what I’ve read about the history of Chinese international relations, they’ve been using pompous language since time immemorial They also have a history of swallowing their neighbors, that’s how China got so big. > [@OysterOmelet](#): > > For example, Xi said, “The day the US sends military aircraft on the island, is the day the red line is crossed.” > > Then Senator Duckworth comes in a military plane, and Xi acts like nothing happened. That’s not exactly basing a squadron of F35s here though, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1336 "2024-06-06T00:46:09Z")
> [@scommy](#): > > Unlike taiwan, Phillipines has a big, poor, patriotic, docile, easily led population al la ukraine No it doesn’t only an idiot would think they are docile. They have guns everywhere there lol. They have had actual wars there recently. You literally seem to know nothing about what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![OysterOmelet](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/oysteromelet/32/219695_2.png) [@OysterOmelet](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OysterOmelet)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 3:12am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1337 "2024-06-06T03:12:14Z")
> [@TT](#): > > They also have a history of swallowing their neighbors, that’s how China got so big. No they don’t. The borders with Korea and Japan changed once over a 1000 year period. They got big because, first of all, East Asia is densely populated because rice supports a bigger population , and second, they figured out a way to govern and administer a large area with a modern bureaucracy very early. ---
**Author:** ![TT](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tt/32/271883_2.png) [@TT](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TT)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1338 "2024-06-06T04:12:08Z")
> [@OysterOmelet](#): > > > [@TT](#): > > > > They also have a history of swallowing their neighbors, that’s how China got so big. > > No they don’t. The borders with Korea and Japan changed once over a 1000 year period Since time immemorial were your words, we can start more recently [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/UWqVzZnwnOk/maxresdefault.jpg "The History of China : Every Year") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqVzZnwnOk) > [@OysterOmelet](#): > > they figured out a way to govern and administer a large area with a modern bureaucracy very early Also, military conquest. Maybe you should visit Xinjiang and Tibet, and read a book. ---
**Author:** ![OysterOmelet](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/oysteromelet/32/219695_2.png) [@OysterOmelet](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OysterOmelet)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1339 "2024-06-06T04:38:50Z")
Those regions constitute about five percent of their total population, it’s not why China is so big. I don’t know what the hell your point is, God bless you. ---
**Author:** ![TT](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tt/32/271883_2.png) [@TT](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TT)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1340 "2024-06-06T06:38:55Z")
My point was land mass, they don’t want Taiwan for the population. You were talking about borders, and my video is pretty clear. The size of China has grown because the have swallowed their neighbors, clearly. Nothing uniquely Chinese about that, the British didn’t exactly take Hong Kong by asking nicely, US borders are mostly a result of arms and arma sales. C’est la vie ---
**Author:** ![scommy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/scommy/32/269713_2.png) [@scommy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/scommy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1341 "2024-06-07T02:42:11Z")
They are docile in that they are easily led and blindly patriotic. No doubt they would stubbornly fight for a cause no matter how pointless and the losses. Thats what makes the Phillipines such a promising candidate as a sacrificial lamb/proxy in a war against China. ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1342 "2024-06-07T02:58:05Z")
> [@scommy](#): > > No doubt they would stubbornly fight for a cause no matter how pointless and the losses. Makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![flatlandr](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/flatlandr/32/175113_2.png) [@flatlandr](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/flatlandr)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1343 "2024-06-07T02:58:32Z")
> [@scommy](#): > > They are docile in that they are easily led and blindly patriotic. > > No doubt they would stubbornly fight for a cause no matter how pointless and the losses. > > Thats what makes the Phillipines such a promising candidate as a sacrificial lamb/proxy in a war against China. Great insight. Please continue with your excellent analysis. ---
**Author:** ![PeterB](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/e8c25b/32.png) [@PeterB](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/PeterB)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1344 "2024-06-07T03:01:23Z")
> [@scommy](#): > > easily led and blindly patriotic. This coming from someone who openly advocates for Russia and China with their populations overwhelmingly “easily led and blindly patriotic” ---
**Author:** ![scommy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/scommy/32/269713_2.png) [@scommy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/scommy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 4:22am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1345 "2024-06-07T04:22:41Z")
Yes how dare anyone have dissenting opinions from dogma doled out from bbc/cnn 🙂 :rofl: ---
**Author:** ![flatlandr](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/flatlandr/32/175113_2.png) [@flatlandr](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/flatlandr)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1346 "2024-06-07T05:11:15Z")
> [@scommy](#): > > Yes how dare anyone have dissenting opinions from dogma doled out from bbc/cnn Exactly! Some people think BBC/CNN is the only place a person can get their information from! ---
**Author:** ![Kalle](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kalle](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Kalle)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 5:18am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1347 "2024-06-07T05:18:23Z")
> [@flatlandr](#): > > Exactly! Some people think BBC/CNN is the only place a person can get their information from! Exactly! Some people think Pravda/Global Times is the only place a person can get their information from! ---
**Author:** ![scommy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/scommy/32/269713_2.png) [@scommy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/scommy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 7:28am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1348 "2024-06-07T07:28:06Z")
> [@Kalle](#): > > Exactly! Some people think Pravda/Global Times is the only place a person can get their information from! Heheee you guys are so predictable 🤗 ---
**Author:** ![hansioux](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hansioux/32/253648_2.png) [@hansioux](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hansioux)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 7:41am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1349 "2024-06-07T07:41:54Z")
> [@scommy](#): > > Heheee you guys are so predictable 🤗 ↓ I actually find this response much more predictable. > [@scommy](#): > > Yes how dare anyone have dissenting opinions from dogma doled out from bbc/cnn 🙂 :rofl: ---
**Author:** ![scommy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/scommy/32/269713_2.png) [@scommy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/scommy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 7:49am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1350 "2024-06-07T07:49:59Z")
> [@hansioux](#): > > I actually find this response much more predictable. Not me who resorted to dreary sarcastic off topic remarks and derailed the thread zzzzz ---
**Author:** ![hansioux](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/hansioux/32/253648_2.png) [@hansioux](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/hansioux)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 8:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1351 "2024-06-07T08:16:41Z")
> [@scommy](#): > > Not me who resorted to dreary sarcastic off topic remarks and derailed the thread zzzzz Predictability is based on how often a similar remark or tactic of arguing is throw out by the same user. In this case claiming others points as invalid because they must be repeating something from the BBC or CNN. Not counting temped posts that are gone forever, we still have: > [@Ukraine Invasion: General Discussion, November-December 2022](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/ukraine-invasion-general-discussion-november-december-2022/224843/385): > > So high on many stock standard Western propaganda clichés and dull rhetoric… Straight from the CNN/BBC scripts. In Russia they don’t pretend to be free press, everyone takes it with a grain of salt knowing the source. In the West they do pretend to be free and a fount of truth. Thus the Sheeple unknowingly swallow whatever propaganda they see on the news. I know that’s a bit of a stretch for you to grasp, do try to comprehend.roll_eyes > [@Ukraine Invaded by the Russians - September to October 2022](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/ukraine-invaded-by-the-russians-september-to-october-2022/223485/355): > > Simple fact is Russia only had around 1000 guys manning the entire sector most of them got away in a hurry leaving a moderate amount of equipment. If the Russian were routed there CNN would still be loading up big on film of captured columns of Russian infantry. > [@Ukraine Invaded by the Russians - April to August 2022](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/ukraine-invaded-by-the-russians-april-to-august-2022/218983/3991): > > Yep this is the long awaited massive devastating Ukrainian offensive. From now on ukraine will be advancing the tide has turned i saw it on CNN. > [@Russia vs. Ukraine 2024-2026](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/russia-vs-ukraine-2024/236519/324): > > Exactly right its one rifle between ten russians soldiers i saw that on bbc. And look how desperate russians are steal washing machines from ukrainian old ladies. > [@Ukraine Invaded by the Russians - April to August 2022](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/ukraine-invaded-by-the-russians-april-to-august-2022/218983/3940): > > This is just typical ukrop baloney(that gets mindlessly repeated as fact by the ever obedient BBC/CNN.) Obvious Ukraine did this. It’s the payback that’s going to be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![scommy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/scommy/32/269713_2.png) [@scommy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/scommy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 9:12am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1352 "2024-06-07T09:12:19Z")
Im just stating some facts that make the Phillipines a great candidate as a proxy in a war. Large, poor population with a govt desperate for US approval. Honestly i reckon if the USA offered filipinos a “citizenship through service” pathway they could raise an army of 30 million in a week. Not sure why that gets people so butthurt and veering off topic 😆 If anything folks here should be happy it means taiwan is less likely to be a warzone. ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:23am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/do-you-think-america-will-come-to-taiwan-s-aid-if-china-attacks-should-it/88637/1353 "2024-06-07T10:23:20Z")
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