Right. Categorizing Taiwanese women as being mature or immature is too generalizing. As JD said, [quote]Jesus Christ folks, don’t we have anything better to talk about?[/quote]
If the OP had narrowed down the topic to something like “is an 18-year-old (or a 30-year-old) girl staying with her family less mature than a US counterpart living alone,” the replies would have been more specific and accurate.
“Maturity has nothing to do with what culture you are in?”
Oh ,really?
Chinese people are taught to live and take care of their parents.
That’s our culture.But not westerners.
So we don’t live by ourselves then means we are dependant and not mature.??
What is maturity?
I think except you have to be independant and you have to be respondsible for your life too, that is maturity.
How many people live by their own but their life is a mess?
A drugster…mature?A thief…mature?Living by theirown but still go home for asking money…mature?
So there is no reason girls live with their parents(some of them are for the security reaon) means they are not mature or dependant.
In a word,I just understand westerners think Taiwanese girls are not mature.Just Because they live with parents,they give their money back home(I think it is not common here now.),they like winnie the pooh,Doraamon…,Then like brat pitt is mature?
I am not arguing with anything,in fact,I know some of Taiwanese women in some way are not mature enough.But I don’t think it is shit wrong. :saywhat:
[quote]“Maturity has nothing to do with what culture you are in?”
Oh ,really?
Chinese people are taught to live and take care of their parents.
That’s our culture.But not westerners.[/quote]
Dude, I hope you’re not trying to ruin my day with your obvious ignorance of Western culture. Many MANY western people drop out of college to help out their parents; many married people support their parents financially, emotionally, and physically by driving them where they need to go. You need to get a new English teacher if the one one now have is feeding you this crapola.
I do not believe this is the case. I think in particular women in Taiwan are expected to be mature much sooner than western women are, and possibly because of that, they grab on to cutsie things like Hellokitty and get all giggly.
Good question.
Ok, but what the hell does that have to do with living at home? I think married Taiwanese women are being incredibly responsible by staying close to home and watching out for and helping their parents. Why the hell is living at home a sign of immaturity?
[quote]How many people live by their own but their life is a mess?
A drugster…mature?[/quote]
:bravo: Do you drink beer?
[quote]In a word,I just understand westerners think Taiwanese girls are not mature.Because they live with parents,they give their money back home(I think it is not common here now.),they like winnie the pooh,Doraamon…,Then like brat pitt is mature?
I am not arguing with anything,in fact,I know some of Taiwanese women in some way are not mature enough.But I don’t think it is shit wrong. [/quote]
I read comic books. Am I immature? How about being mature enough to realize that PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT! and that’s ok with me.
douseeme, I agree with the poster who said, when starting a thread like this, don’t be so general, and I will add, don’t pretend you understand someone else’s perspective. Either YOU think Taiwanese women are immature or you don’t. To say “I just understand westerners think Taiwanese girls are not mature” is a cop out.
Don’t think for me and I won’t think for you. You started this thread presenting your opinion and now you say it’s not your opinion but your opinion of what a foreigners opinion is. Danger danger danger.
peace
jds
tycoon:[quote]
If you really believe that because we come from different cultures that we can’t be measured by the same stick, then any comparison between cultures is meaningless. [/quote]
Great point tycoon. However, that’s not what I meant at all. Comparison of another culture (which I feel is a VERY important skill that helps us measure importance and validity in life) WITHOUT AN UNDERSTANDING of the other culture is a recipe for trouble and such comparisons breed and propagate ignorance and racism.
[quote=“jdsmith”]…Imagine the lens looking at Western women: Do you think American women are sluts? Multiple sexual partners before marriage? Hmmm. Are they drunks? Obese? Extremely poor dressers?
…[/quote]
Yes. And?
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Generalizing is not always a bad thing. The problem is when you judge an individual by a generalization. But we’re not doing that here. We’re discussing groups, so we have to talk about characterstics that many of the group have.
You can’t look at a Taiwanese girl and say that she’s not mature just because she’s Taiwanese and in certain age range. But if you look at a large number of Taiwanese girls in a certain age range and find many of them lack experience and maturity in many areas, then you arrive at a fair generalization. It’s not a faulty generalization, it’s a fair one, though it would be unfair to apply the generalization to a specific case.
And how are you going to “look at” them? Walk by the office? Listen in on coffee shop conversations? Talk about old girlfriends?
You’re drawing conclusions without doing the footwork.
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It’s not a faulty generalization, it’s a fair one, though it would be unfair to apply the generalization to a specific case.[/quote]
It’s NOT a fair generalization because you have not to any extent determined the process for evaluating their “immaturity” except to say that they are immature.
Plato
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[quote=“douseeme”]“Maturity has nothing to do with what culture you are in?”
Oh ,really?[/quote]
Yes. Really.
[quote]Chinese people are taught to live and take care of their parents.
That’s our culture.But not westerners.[/quote]
Yes, but do all Chinese people take care of their parents? Are they all mature enough to sacrifice their own interests to perform their duty? No. There are many irresponsible people in Chinese culture who are too selfish to do what they are asked to do by the culture.
Not only that, but merely conforming to one’s own culture is not a sign of maturity. It’s a sign of conditioning. How many Chinese are stay at home and their parents take part of their salary just because they don’t know to do anything about it? It’s all the culture they know, so even though they don’t want to give up their salary, they just accept it.
That is not maturity.
Now, there are many Chinese who are mature in this respect, and I mentioned earlier that in this particular aspect Chinese women are generally more mature than their Western counterparts. But this is only one kind of maturity, and it only applies to a limited range of life experience.
No, but it means you probably won’t be. You probably aren’t independent and probably have not learned the experiences that living on your own would provide.
There are certainly exceptions. I know some.
Isn’t it just what I said earlier? Experience and wisdom to deal with an issue? It’s the product of growth.
Yes, you have to be responsible for your life.
Right. You don’t move out and magically become mature.
Drug dealers can be quite mature. Evil, but mature.
And you don’t think there are drug addicts, thieves, or Chinese who beg off their parents still living at home?
But your point is good: taking responsibility for your life is part of independence.
And Chinese girls generally don’t do that while still living at home for quite some time.
Wrong. There is. Lack of experience.
Nothing mature or immature about liking cute things. It’s what you said earlier: taking responsibility for their own life. And Chinese girls living at home from 18 till marriage (or spinsterhood) generally don’t do so.
"Dude, I hope you’re not trying to ruin my day with your obvious ignorance of Western culture"
Oh sorry,I am not trying to ruin your day. 
I am ignorance of western culture?:loco:
Then how about when people judge taiwanese girls in westerners standard ?
I didn’t say it’s not my opinion.And I just express what I think not meant to be irriate anyone or anything.
If you think so then I apology for it.
It’s stupid.
I don’t understand all these threads about Taiwanese girls and making comparisons between TW and Western girls (with Western girls getting the short end of the stick). Especially the bit about immaturity. I know we’re talking about groups rather than individuals but I must say that every TW girl I’ve met so far has been more mature than I am. I hate to make myself look bad (too late…haha) but my best friend is TW and she hates Hello Kitty and cutesy stuff and, while she DOES live at home with her parents, she is quite independent having traveled all over the globe. I also live at home with my parents but I love cartoons and Hello Kitty and I consider myself quite young at heart (y’all would call it immature I’m sure). I’m from the U.S. but I’m a.) not obese (not even close), b.) not a slut, c.) not old-looking for my age (I get carded to see R-rated movies and I’m 25 yrs old).
Someone already mentioned something along these lines but…Western girls may move faster through life from their teens onwards but that doesn’t make them more mature. In fact, probably because they move too fast they end up being a lot less mature by the time it’s all said and done (i.e., having children when they’re not ready and being bad parents or marrying before they’re ready and cheating on their husbands). If Taiwanese girls want to stay young and heart and them doing so is not hurting anyone…wtf is the problem? Either you like it or you don’t but it seems to me whether you like it or not you are still putting up with it so…get over it.
It’s stupid.[/quote]
Classic post standard, surely?
I think we all have a Taiwanese friend that is quite mature. The reason why they stand out though is because it’s rare here.
I bet your friend can swim.
[quote=“douseeme”]"Dude, I hope you’re not trying to ruin my day with your obvious ignorance of Western culture"
Oh sorry,I am not trying to ruin your day. [/quote]
I missed this post somehow but I assume this was tongue-in-cheek aimed at the ‘you don’t understand Taiwanese culture’ we have to hear 50 times a day as foreigners in Taiwan.
[quote=“douseeme”]I am ignorance of western culture?:loco:
Then how about when people judge Taiwanese girls in westerners standard ? [/quote]
Well you pretty much said that those who disagreed with you are ignorant of Taiwanese culture, so what makes you any more aware of Western culture?
So let’s get down to the meat and veg of why this thread irritates me. I don’t think I’ve ever honestly heard a Taiwanese say to me, ‘man, my friend gives half her salary to her parents and that blows’. Or ‘my friend gives half her salery to her parents and I guess that’s fair because they’re getting free rent after all.’ Or ‘my mom doesn’t want me to move out of the family house but I’m leaving anyway because I think at 28 it’s time to make my own decisions’,
No, all I ever hear is ‘xxxx’… ‘and that’s just Taiwanese culture’. I’m sorry, but doing something just because other people happen to do it is not going the way of mature, independent thinking, is it?
I would have had a lot more respect for you if instead of saying ‘X group of people thinks Y group of people are Z, DISCUSS’ you actually gave us some insight that we don’t already know. What about YOUR life? YOUR situation? And how do YOU feel about it? How do you ACTUALLY feel about the lifestyle of a 20-something girl in Taiwan? Does anything annoy you? Do you wish anything were different? Are you completely content with how things are?
[quote=“Hydedoll”]I don’t understand all these threads about Taiwanese girls and making comparisons between TW and Western girls (with Western girls getting the short end of the stick). Especially the bit about immaturity. I know we’re talking about groups rather than individuals but I must say that every TW girl I’ve met so far has been more mature than I am. I hate to make myself look bad (too late…haha) but my best friend is TW and she hates Hello Kitty and cutesy stuff and, while she DOES live at home with her parents, she is quite independent having traveled all over the globe. I also live at home with my parents but I love cartoons and Hello Kitty and I consider myself quite young at heart (y’all would call it immature I’m sure). I’m from the U.S. but I’m a.) not obese (not even close), b.) not a slut, c.) not old-looking for my age (I get carded to see R-rated movies and I’m 25 yrs old).
Someone already mentioned something along these lines but…Western girls may move faster through life from their teens onwards but that doesn’t make them more mature. In fact, probably because they move too fast they end up being a lot less mature by the time it’s all said and done (i.e., having children when they’re not ready and being bad parents or marrying before they’re ready and cheating on their husbands). If Taiwanese girls want to stay young and heart and them doing so is not hurting anyone…wtf is the problem? Either you like it or you don’t but it seems to me whether you like it or not you are still putting up with it so…get over it.[/quote]
:bravo: :bravo:
Excellent post HD!
We should have had a pole at the top so we could just look what people think. It doesn’t even mean they are immature really. It only states the opinion of the people participating in this thread.
[quote=“sandman”]
How about: Some forumosans think some Taiwanese girls are immature? And they’d be right. Some are. Some aren’t. Some are going through puberty. Some aren’t.
Different culture? Sure it is. It’s a cultural trait that tends to manifest as immaturity. In some girls. And in some boys.[/quote]
This remains the most intelligent post on this subject.
[quote=“douseeme”]Original Title: I want to know~~~
Some of forumosans think Taiwanese girls are immature and in prepuberty. 
I think that is just different culture.
I want to know all of your opinions.[/quote]
[quote=“douseeme”]
In a word,I just understand westerners think Taiwanese girls are not mature.Just Because they live with parents,they give their money back home(I think it is not common here now.),they like winnie the pooh,Doraamon…,Then like brat pitt is mature?[/quote]
If you think it’s a cultural difference, what’s the point of seeing if Forumosans think Taiwanese girls are mature or immature? If you think they are, they are and if you don’t, then they aren’t. Whether Forumosans think Taiwanese girls are generally less mature or not, you still have mature and immature people around you.
[quote=“jdsmith”]douseeme, I agree with the poster who said, when starting a thread like this, don’t be so general, and I will add, don’t pretend you understand someone else’s perspective. Either YOU think Taiwanese women are immature or you don’t. To say “I just understand westerners think Taiwanese girls are not mature” is a cop out.
Don’t think for me and I won’t think for you. You started this thread presenting your opinion and now you say it’s not your opinion but your opinion of what a foreigners opinion is. Danger danger danger.[/quote][quote=“Hydedoll”]If Taiwanese girls want to stay young and heart and them doing so is not hurting anyone…wtf is the problem? Either you like it or you don’t but it seems to me whether you like it or not you are still putting up with it so…get over it.[/quote]
:bravo:
i swear to god. i don’t think i misread. somewhere on here said Taiwanese girls are “excellent dressers”
um, ok
[quote=“jonnygard70”]i swear to god. i don’t think i misread. somewhere on here said Taiwanese girls are “excellent dressers”
um, ok[/quote]
Nothing wrong with soft porn chic… some guys really dig that kind of thing. YMMV ya know?