Dutch dumps daughter in HK

[quote]http://goldsea.com/712/13dutch.html

A Dutch diplomat vilified in the press for giving up his 7-year-old adopted South Korean daughter to the care of Hong Kong’s Social Welfare Department has taken early home leave, officials said Thursday

Media reports in Hong Kong have suggested that the couple adopted the girl because they thought they could not have their own natural children, but then decided to give her up when the wife got pregnant.

The girl speaks Chinese and English but not Korean, and is not a naturalized citizen of the Netherlands, the Korean official said.[/quote]
Wow, now that’s just wrong on so many levels.

How can one just abondon a child to social services when one has the means to continue raising the child?

A truly fucked up story. The Dutch government keeps defending him, but Dutch people here in HK are pretty fed up with that. Apparently, the guy and his wife have broken Dutch law by not having naturalized their adopted daughter. The diplomat told reporters that his wife is in counselling because of the trauma of giving up their adopted daughter. Oh my. That poor girl might need counselling for her whole life because of these sick fucks.

These people just have children to fill an emptiness in their sad, pity, sorry lives… to keep life interesting. Nothing more. And it’s truly, truly sad.

Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf writes: Jade, the disposable child

I can’t read Dutch but there are pictures of the couple and the Korean girl. The only reason given so far by the diplomat is that the girl was unable to adapt to the Dutch culture, including the food. However, they adopted her when she was only months old. What’s up with that sorry excuse? :fume:

Hey, be fair, she was dumped on medical advice!

[quote] A Dutch diplomat vilified in the Asian press and accused of having “returned” his South Korean-born daughter seven years after adopting her as an infant, said his family’s situation has been misrepresented.

In a statement published by Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, Raymond Poeteray — a Hong Kong-based Consul — said his daughter was “very sick,” and suffers from a “severe form of fear of emotional attachment.”

“In contrast to what has been written, we don’t want to be rid of our daughter and there’s no suggestion we would disown her, right up until today. We are (her) parents and we feel responsible for her well-being and we always will.”

She had been handed over to social services in Hong Kong on the advice of doctors. “Although the specialists think now that (she) may not be returned to us, we continue to hope,” he wrote.[/quote]

Now as to what kind of “medical advice” suggests seperating parents from their kid for "fear of emotional attachment, I have no idea, but I’m scarcely surprised it comes out of HK. Anyway, what is “severe form of fear of emotional attachment” She’s Korean, shouldn’t that be obvious?

HG

On the other hand, with assholes like that for parents, perhaps the sooner she exits their family the better. Let’s hope she is taken in soon by a good, loving family.

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]Hey, be fair, she was dumped on medical advice!

[quote] A Dutch diplomat vilified in the Asian press and accused of having “returned” his South Korean-born daughter seven years after adopting her as an infant, said his family’s situation has been misrepresented.

In a statement published by Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, Raymond Poeteray — a Hong Kong-based Consul — said his daughter was “very sick,” and suffers from a “severe form of fear of emotional attachment.”

“In contrast to what has been written, we don’t want to be rid of our daughter and there’s no suggestion we would disown her, right up until today. We are (her) parents and we feel responsible for her well-being and we always will.”

She had been handed over to social services in Hong Kong on the advice of doctors. “Although the specialists think now that (she) may not be returned to us, we continue to hope,” he wrote.[/quote]

Now as to what kind of “medical advice” suggests seperating parents from their kid for "fear of emotional attachment, I have no idea, but I’m scarcely surprised it comes out of HK. Anyway, what is “severe form of fear of emotional attachment” She’s Korean, shouldn’t that be obvious?

HG[/quote]

Presumably the “severe form of fear of emotional attachment” diagnosis was made when the parents told the daughter that they were planning to abondon her, and the little girl broke down crying “No! Please mommy and daddy, don’t leave me!” “Very sick” indeed.

:noway: :fume:

By the way, here’s the Dutch child dumper’s linkedin profile. Feel free to send him a message there.

And here’s his work email address: raymond.poeteray@minbuza.nl

Also, feel free to write to the Dutch embassy in Hong Kong, where he used to work
information@netherlands-cg.org.hk

Or various other Dutch consular addresses, such as in
Each state of the US netherlands-embassy.org/location.asp
The UK consular@netherlands-embassy.org.uk
Montreal nlgovmon@qc.aibn.com
NZ WEL-CA@minbuza.nl

Here are some good ones
THe Dutch Ambassador in New York, Mr. Christiaan M. J. Kr霵er: was@minbuza.nl
His Deputy Chief of Mission, Richard van Rijssen: was-plvcdp@minbuza.nl
And their Coordinator Management & General Affairs USA & Canada: Wim Henskens: was-az@minbuza.nl

It might be nice to let these fine folks know how we feel about their representative, Raymond Poeteray. Who knows, with enough negative feedback maybe they might discipline/terminate him.

Whoa! What if the claims in that report above are even remotely true? What if these aren’t the hard arsed bastards they’ve been portrayed as but rather poor schmucks at the absolute end of their personal wick after years of emotional strain and turmoil?

Surprised a liberal lawyer would be so quick to don the black cloth.

HG

What claims? That they adopted a child 7 years ago and found it difficult so they want to give her back? How can that possibly be justifiable? Anyone with half a brain knows adopted children often have emotional issues and it may require great patience, love and perseverance to succeed, but once you make that committment you are bound to follow through and can’t simply change your mind. At least that was my understanding. Do you believe there is a 10 year warranty on adopted kids, no questions asked?

I read a few days ago in an article that one of the reasons for giving up the girl was that she didn’t like Western food. :unamused:

Couple of articles in English:

Dutch diplomat who gave up adopted Korean girl, 7, returns home

Diplomat ‘dumped his adopted child because she did not fit in’

Sad.

Is this not criminal? Shouldn’t they be charged and custody of their other children challenged?

I wouldn’t think it is any more criminal than giving your own baby up for adoption. They handed the child over to the appropriate people, they didn’t abandon her…I imagine they are within their rights, as had as it is to stomach nonetheless.

A friend of mine who is a psychologist once told me something to the effect of “Never adopt.” Apparently there is always something wrong with the kids. Harsh, I know.

And yeah–why shouldn’t one be allowed to give a kid who has been adopted, up for adoption?

I think the book Freakonomics made some interesting observations on parents and how much they really influence adopted kids.
I can’t remember what they were, but I’m sure they were interesting.

Not harsh, just complete stupidity. I know several people who have adopted children. The kids seem normal to me. And a classmate of mine in college was adopted as a baby by a Chinese couple (he’s white). There was nothing obviously “wrong” with him.

Not quite grasping the concept of adoption here, SJ? The idea is the child will be permanently absorbed into a family, not kicked out of the family when he/she is no longer the ideal child.

My best friend just adopted. There is actually a law that you cannot give them back up, or divorce them, (and both are possible for your birth children). This is because, unlike birth children who might have been “accidents,” adoption is a consious act of will. However, if you took your adopted child to the proper authorities and gave it up as you were an unfit parent by your own admission, I’m sure the court would side that you had done the right thing.

Not harsh, just complete stupidity. I know several people who have adopted children. The kids seem normal to me. And a classmate of mine in college was adopted as a baby by a Chinese couple (he’s white). There was nothing obviously “wrong” with him. [/quote]

I disagree. It’s neither harsh nor stupidity, it’s just awkwardly worded. I almost married a girl who was adopted as a baby and who seemed to have suffered more than her fair share of emotional distress growing up. Sure, no family environment (whether natural or adoptive) is perfect, and childhood and adolescence can be very stressful and difficult for kids from all backgrounds (adopted or not), but it pained me greatly to see how she had suffered trying to fit in with her family, her friends, school, etc., so I began reading up on adoption. My recollection is that most literature on the subject says that adoptive kids often tend to have very serious emotional issues that can be very difficult for both the child and the adoptive family to deal with, which makes sense. Eventually the kid realizes she is different from the rest of the family and may feel her parents didn’t want her and threw her away, perhaps because she was bad or inferior, and the new home took her in out of pity, but she’s not really as good as the “real” children and they don’t love her as much, but are just taking care of her as they would a stray dog, etc., and that can lead to serious problems with low self esteem, feelings of not belonging, and resulting behavioral problems (my friend worked as a stripper, trying to get the approval she so badly needed). So, I believe it’s completely inaccurate to say there’s something “wrong” with adopted children; but I believe it is correct that adoptive children often have serious emotional issues unique from those of other kids, that can make adoption a very challenging and difficult process, requiring total committment, love and perseverence.

Not quite grasping the concept of adoption here, SJ? The idea is the child will be permanently absorbed into a family, not kicked out of the family when he/she is no longer the ideal child.[/quote]

That, I agree with. As if the adopted child doesn’t have enough problems having been abandoned once, by the birth parents, when the child then goes through multiple additional abandonments by a succession of foster parents and adoptive parents who changed their minds – that’s what leads lots of kids (not all, admittedly) to crime, violence, depression and self-destructive behavior. Multiple abandonment, especially of an older child who is more aware of what’s going on, is far worse on a child than a single abandonment.

Don’t get me wrong, I do feel sorry for them. I also feel sorry for stray dogs with skin diseases, but I’m not going to adopt one of them either.

Yeah, sometimes it works out. I wonder if the best route might not be to strip all the sentimentality from it, and just allow kids to be bought and sold. That’s how it worked in the ancient world. That way they won’t just feel valued, they’ll KNOW their own worth.

That’s fine, no one’s forcing you to adopt and apparently it would be best for all involved if you didn’t. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. Some people want to raise kids, some don’t. Some want to adopt, some don’t. Adopting a child and raising a child well requires extraordinary committment and devotion. If someone feels they’re not up to it, fine, no problem (it’s not a sign of inferiority to not raise children; it’s just a valid choice), just don’t start the process then quit halfway through (as the Dutch fucker did).

I know you’re just making provocative comments to get a rise out of people, as usual, but I’ll respond anyway. In a way, adopted kids are bought and sold. Certainly adoptive parents often end up paying a lot for the process (I think of my brother, who had to make repeated flights to Nepal and end up staying there for 6 months on the last visit and hiring attorneys to get through the bureacratic hurdles), not to mention the ultimate costs of raising a kid. And apparently lots of parents do sell their children to unscrupulous brokers mostly in underdeveloped nations. But that obviously won’t (a) decrease the number of children given up for adoption or (b) improve the chances for those who are adopted, which should probably be considered the two paramount objectives of public adoption policy. Instead, it would likely increase the number of kids given up for adoption, if brokers could publicly advertise “cash paid for your baby,” and women could openly and without stigma or fear of prosecution become breeding machines, selling babies for a living. Nor do I see how that would improve the chances for those babies. Instead, like puppy mills, there would be a glut of purchased babies, passing the years crammed into filthy, crowded, unsanitary and emotionally catastrophic institutions, waiting to be sold. So it’s not just for moral reasons, but for very sound, practical policy reasons, that selling babies is illegal almost everywhere on earth.

The best way to ensure that the adopted child will feel “valued” is to screen adoptive parents carefully, so one can cull out applicants like the Dutch couple, who it turned out were thoroughly unqualified.