Dutch Filmmaker Theo van Gogh Murdered

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Well, I wonder how politically correct Hollywood will handle this?

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Dutch Filmmaker Theo Van Gogh Murdered

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A filmmaker who was the great-grandnephew of the painter Vincent van Gogh was shot and stabbed to death on an Amsterdam street Tuesday after receiving death threats over a movie he made criticizing the treatment of women under Islam.[/quote]

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[quote]
Director Theo van Gogh murdered in Amsterdam

Film director Theo van Gogh was shot and killed in Amsterdam on Tuesday morning, his production company said. Van Gogh directed the controversial movie Submission - written by Somali-born MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali - which criticised the Koran for sanctioning domestic violence in Islamic communities.[/quote]

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It’s irony.

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CRAZED CHRISTIANS SHOOT DOWN DOCTORS IN COLD BLOOD!!!

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CHRISTIANS TORTURE AND MURDER THOUSANDS IN THE U.S.!!
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CHRISTIANS COMMITT GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA!!!
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CHRISTIAN MURDERS 6 MILLION!
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CHRISTIANS TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD, SLAUGHTERING MUSLIMS AND JEWS!!!
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MODERATORS - PLEASE halt these hijack attempts and off topics assaults by Mother Theresa.

This poster continually displays disruptive behaviour.

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MODERATORS - PLEASE halt these prejudicial, hate-filled posts by the original posters in this thread.
They are continuously asserting that Islam is an evil religion and suggesting that Muslims are wacko killers. . . unlike good Christian killers.

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Now can we please move this back to the IP forum where it belongs? :unamused:

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Why is it irony? Because Christians have murdered so many millions of Muslims and Jews in ancient and even contemporary history?

In fact, Christians murder countless numbers of people every day, often in the name of their religion, but those stories don’t seem to get the headlines or be the subject of divisive forumosa discussions in the same way that murders by Muslims get attention. So I’m not so sure what Comrade Stalin means by political correctness.

Is it politically correct to make derogatory generalizations about Muslims based on the acts of a few extremists when Christians have committed horrendous atrocities? Is it ok to make snide remarks about Christianity being a religion of peace when Christians have done the following?

Christians TORTURE AND MURDER THOUSANDS IN THE U.S.!!
stop-the-hate.org/king.html

Christians COMMITT GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA!!!
hri.org/news/forpapers/95-05-30.frp

CHRISTIAN MURDERS 6 MILLION!
stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

Christians TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD, SLAUGHTERING MUSLIMS AND Jews!!!
religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm
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Get Real! :unamused:

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Why is it irony?[/quote]

In his films, he argued that Muslims committed violence. They didn’t like his message. So they killed him.

It’s ironic that they would choose such a fashion to protest his message - his message was that Muslims commit violence (in their homes).

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Are you talking to me?

Before this thread was chopped up, renamed and rearranged it was clear that it was intended to lead to another discourse about how f**ked up Muslims are, with one poster making a snide remark about Islam being the religion of peace.

It is noteworthy, and sad, that Van Gogh’s great grandson was murdered, but the murder was not representative of the Islam religion. The act was committed by a wacko extremist. There are plenty of wacko Christian extremists (take George Bush for example), but some of the posters on this forum prefer to express their hatred and prejudice for all Muslims (or all French people, all Germans, etc.). I simply wished to point out that there are wacko extremists of all faiths (and nationalities).

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Richard, this is in response to your post, that was previously a separate thread intended to suggest that Muslims have not condemned the killing.

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[quote]Moroccan organizations in The Netherlands condemned the murder and called for calm. “Escalation is in nobody’s best interest,” the Moroccan Municipal Assembly in Amsterdam said.

“I abhor his views on Islam and find them hurtful for the Islamic community, but there is no motive that can justify a murder,” added Ayhan Tonca of the Dutch organ for contact between Muslims and government.[/quote]
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[quote]Abdou Menebhi, of the Amsterdam Moroccan council, urged his co-religionists to obey a minute of silence in the mosque in the evening during regular Ramadan holy month prayers.

The UMAH association of Moroccan-Dutch academics said they did not share Van Gogh’s opinions but condemned his murder.[/quote]
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[quote]Ikram, a 31-year-old mother of Moroccan descent, came to the rally with a sign saying ‘Muslims against violence’.

“I was debating whether or not to come, but I decided that as a Muslim and as a Moroccan I should take up my responsibility to show that we do not support this act,” she told AFP.

Nearby, 32-year-old Turgay, a Muslim of Turkish descent, said he was worried about the future of his children with the growing polarisation between Muslims and the traditionally Christian Dutch society. “The majority of Muslims does not do anything, they do not take a stand against things but we should take a stand to show we do not agree with what is happening,” he said. [/quote]
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The guy was a wacko extremist. Don’t be swayed by the Rush Limbaugh types, and the media, which suggest that to be Muslim is to be a killer. By far the majority of them are kind and decent people.

And, if you feel Muslims haven’t done enough to condemn the killing, don’t forget the broad support that was expressed by many “Christians” in favor of James Kopp, Paul Hill and other “Christians” who have murdered abortion doctors. Following those murders, there were huge rallies of Christians who claimed those murderers were martyrs and would be rewarded in heaven. Religion makes people do wacky things and if you read the stories you’ll see that Van Gogh was extremely provocative in his condemnation and ridicule of Muslims.

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The Moroccan Municipal Assembly (SMR) is the only one I can find, but it is mostly a PR organization so of course they condemn the act.

I think the main problem with Islam is that the only people who say it is a religion of peace and love are non-muslims. They really need to improve their image if they want any sympathy. I’ve looked for Islamic websites that were not anti-West, but I have never found one.

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Maybe their websites are not in English.

And why dismiss that organization on the grounds that you perceive it as a pr organization. Don’t most organizations engage in PR? Don’t all religions engage in massive pr? The nature of the PR is important – are they encouraging killing of infidels or discouraging it?

Here’s something on point from the Islamic Society of North America. I’m sure many similar groups have made similar statements.

[quote]Not In the Name of Islam

"We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)

Signed by:

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CAIR is asking Muslims around the world to help correct misperceptions of Islam and the Islamic stance on religiously-motivated terror. [/quote]
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Islamic Fanatic Held for Filmmaker’s Murder
“PA”

A Islamic fundamentalist with alleged terrorist ties was being held in a prison hospital today for the murder of a Dutch filmmaker who criticised the treatment of women under Islam.

Theo van Gogh, 47, was repeatedly shot and stabbed to death in an Amsterdam street yesterday. The culprit was shot in the leg during a shoot-out with police.

Dutch Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner said the suspect

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You find it odd that the murderer of an extremely provocative filmmaker who made a movie ridiculing the Islam faith is a fanatical muslim? What would you expect him to be, a contemplative Hindu? A meditative Buddhist? A pacifist Quaker?

Of course he was a fanatical muslim, just as those who murder abortion doctors are fanatical Christians, those who lynched scores of Blacks in the US were fanatical Christians, those who committed genocide in Bosnia were mostly fanatical Christians, and those who tried to take over the world by exterminating all Muslims and Jews during the Crusades were fanatical Christians.

According to my dictionary fanatical means “unreasonably enthusiastic; overly zealous.” Isn’t that what one would expect in a crazed killer?

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Good commentary over at FrontPage Magazine:

[quote]Freedom of speech: Eight weeks ago, van Gogh

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Terrorist network in Holland?

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Eight Arrested after Murder of Filmmaker

Police arrested eight suspected Islamic radicals as part of investigations into the brutal killing of outspoken Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, Dutch prosecutors said today.

The suspects were detained in the 24 hours following Van Gogh

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More details:

[quote]The respected NRC Handelsblad reported that conservative politician Ayan Hirsi Ali, who wrote the script for Van Gogh’s latest provocative movie criticising the treatment of women under Islam, received a death threat in an e-mail Wednesday that read: “You’re next.”

Police and eyewitnesses said the attacker shot Van Gogh, stabbed him, cut his throat with one knife, and pinned a note to his chest with another.

According to NRC Handelsblad, the note called for an Islamic Holy war.[/quote]

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