European Foreign Policy Successes

The Atlantic Ocean. :stuck_out_tongue:

Like…dude…you’re not making any sense. :s

The EU.

The EU is a success? At what? Mindnumbing bureaucracy? Protection for French agriculture? Uniform standards for banana curvature? AND this is not what I asked for. I asked for a successful example where European style diplomacy put an end to a military conflict and I will add or prevented one from happening. Anyone? Anywhere?

I think that given the lack of success in this area that we can now dispense with being overly concerned with what Europe thinks about anything given that they never do anything about anything. Why should America risk its troops by allowing dangers like Saddam to grow just so Europeans can feel good about themselves and their civilized approaches to diplomatic “initiatives?” After all, what Europeans would have been fighting in Iraq EVEN if it has sided with America? 3,000 French? 1,500 Germans? We have already seen the limits of Italian, Spanish, Dutch and Danish support. Hell even Poland (one single actor) probably has more troops in Iraq then all the others combined or nearly so. What’s the point?

Let’s declare North America a “talk-free” zone and let the Europeans have their “nuke-free” zones and “war-free” zones and “pollution-free” zones. Allowing them to creatively approach world problems with their unique problem-solving skills involving endless dialogue will allow them to keep busy like so many kindergarteners with their fingerpaints while we get down to the hard work of making real decisions based on real actions to achieve real outcomes.

San Marino versus Italy 1981

Now, now Fred…if you keep harping on Europe’s lack of foreign policy successes you run the risk of destroying what little self-esteem they have left. :laughing:

Putting Latvian up there with French as an EU language. I’m all for learning Latvian now.

At least Europe tries to act in the best interests of everybody, rather than it own selfish interests, unlike the US political machinery.

Good one… hahahaha!

Fred, I’ll save you the bother:


Sorry, but that’s the closest I can get to a considered retort on that. Traveller, you ARE being sarcastic, aren’t you? :laughing:

HEAR HEAR!! :eu:

Yeah, by rolling over on its’ back and screams, [color=red]“DO ME!”[/color]


French agricultural protection and how it affects the Third World.
French corruption see Taiwan Lafayette frigates, Elf Aquitaine, French overthrow of African leaders, French complicity in corruption at Oil for Food program, German actions that led to the breakup of Yugoslavia as in starting the civil war. Yeah Germany. Shall we continue or do you get the idea.

Keeping Switzerland and its annoying populace out of the EU. Imagine the cleaning bill if they got anywhere near our quaintly grimy factories?

Srebrenica certainly was a glorious success. :unamused: Run away! Run away! :notworthy:

Dutchbat commander flees amid Srebrenica threats

2 April 2004


Damn, they should have let the Italians do that job…they are much better and have a lot more experience in surrendering.

Actually, the Italians would more likely have switched sides as soon as they saw Ratko Mladic’s car (an armour-plated Yugo with CD player) coming up the road.

Munich, 1938 “Peace for our time” was a stunning success! And Chamberlain was VERY popular as a result. Now [b]please[/b] let’s not anyone bring up that slight unpleasantness in Europe that followed. :laughing:

European diplomatic theory at it’s best!

Will Britain hold peace talks with Bin Laden?

April 08 2004 at 04:27PM

London - A former member of Prime Minister Tony Blair’s cabinet called Thursday for Britain and the United States to begin talks with Osama bin Laden and described the current war on terrorism “completely counter-productive”. … 6&set_id=1

Jockeying as usual among the Euros for the IMF top post…

Hey Rascal, how about those international laws? Like the ones that Germany and France are flagrantly flouting. You know about keeping deficit spending in check. hahaha INTERNATIONAL LAWBREAKERS!!! Go Berlin and Paris. Ah, but are not these two nations afraid of the resentment and unpopularity with which they are viewed in the other European capitals? hahah

Unsurprisingly, France and Germany do not accept this. Now that a German is on his way out at the IMF, France regards the post as its entitlement and is backing its own candidate: Jean Lemierre, head of the European Bank of Reconstruction and Development. Germany has publicly backed Mr. Lemierre. The only apparent beneficiaries of having a French candidate would be France and Germany. The Guardian reported Thursday that Germany agreed to back Mr. Lemierre in exchange for France’s support for a German head of the most powerful economics post in the new European Union (EU) commission.
This backroom maneuvering is especially troubling given that France and Germany are already poised to hold greater sway at EU policy-making institutions. European nations are aggravated not only with the dimensions of French and German power, but also with how it is used. Berlin and Paris have decided, for example, that they need not comply with EU fiscal requirements outlined in the Stability Pact (which was crafted by Germany), but that those requirements must still apply to other European countries. It’s difficult to imagine how European unity can be maintained if Berlin and Paris are intent on dominating every European fiefdom.
Giving the IMF post to Mr. Lemierre would alienate poor and developing countries and damage the fund’s already bruised credibility. Fortunately, the Spanish candidate, Mr. Rato, was given a significant boost this week by the brokering efforts of Gordon Brown, chair of the international monetary and financial committee. Mr. Rato is likely to win the post.