# "Foreign wolf teachers" **URL:** \ **Category:** Teaching English in Taiwan\ **Tags:** incident\ **Created:** [June 6, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259 "2017-06-06T04:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BHL4life](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/bhl4life/32/90885_2.png) [@BHL4life](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BHL4life)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/1 "2017-06-06T04:09:16Z")
“TAIPEI (Taiwan News)—In light of frequent reports of foreign teachers committing sexual offenses against their students in Taiwan in the past, the Legislature’s Education and Culture Committee has greenlighted a stricter clean slate bill for first-time foreign teachers in Taiwan, the Ministry of Education (MOE) said on Wednesday.” it has another article linked which i read, is this true? there are frequent reports of foreigners committing sexual offences against students? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Phillips](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_phillips/32/179747_2.png) [@Charlie\_Phillips](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Phillips)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/2 "2017-06-06T14:26:31Z")
> [@BHL4life](#): > > “TAIPEI (Taiwan News)—In light of frequent reports of foreign teachers committing sexual offenses against their students in Taiwan in the past, the Legislature’s Education and Culture Committee has greenlighted a stricter clean slate bill for first-time foreign teachers in Taiwan, the Ministry of Education (MOE) said on Wednesday.” > > it has another article linked which i read, is this true? there are frequent reports of foreigners committing sexual offences against students? I challenge Taiwan News, and George Liao to provide evidence and links to articles supporting examples of “reports of foreign teachers committing sexual offenses against their students in Taiwan.” I’ve never seen such a report, but reports of Taiwanese teachers committing sexual offences against their students is just daily news in Taiwan, and has been since long before the recent “suicide case,” which involved a Taiwanese teacher. Can George Liao of Taiwan News provide evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/3 "2017-06-06T14:30:00Z")
Yeah he just pony up or else delete the offensive statement as we all know the recent scandal was referring to a Taiwanese buxiban teacher, NOT a foreigner. ---
**Author:** ![BHL4life](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/bhl4life/32/90885_2.png) [@BHL4life](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BHL4life)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/4 "2017-06-06T14:51:16Z")
yea thats what i was thinking. if its so frequent it would all over the news??? [http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3166018](http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3166018) heres the full article. the hess article also links back to the writer who was raped, which somehow includes writing about foreigners, even though its stated none were involved… ok. ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/5 "2017-06-07T03:13:08Z")
You’re barking up the wrong tree. Complain to the Ministry of Education, they are the ones who cited the reports of “foreign sex wolf teachers” in their decision to crack down on foreign cram school teachers. Read it and weep: [http://www.cna.com.tw/news/ahel/201705170254-1.aspx](http://www.cna.com.tw/news/ahel/201705170254-1.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/6 "2017-06-07T03:14:29Z")
George is referring to the Ministry of Education’s words, they are the ones who cited the reports of “foreign sex wolf teachers” in their decision to crack down on foreign cram school teachers: [http://www.cna.com.tw/news/ahel/201705170254-1.aspx](http://www.cna.com.tw/news/ahel/201705170254-1.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/7 "2017-06-07T03:16:51Z")
As the first sentence says “the Ministry of Education (MOE) said on Wednesday.” George is simply relaying what MOE said about “foreign sex wolf teachers.” [http://www.cna.com.tw/news/ahel/201705170254-1.aspx](http://www.cna.com.tw/news/ahel/201705170254-1.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![yyy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/yyy/32/12085_2.png) [@yyy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/yyy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:32am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/8 "2017-06-07T03:32:55Z")
That’s a report from the CNA, not the MOE, and it doesn’t actually attribute the 外籍狼師 claim to the MOE; it merely implies it through reckless juxtaposition. It appears that both of these news agencies have failed to perform basic fact checking. Even if the MOE said such a thing, you would still have a responsibility to the public to handle the statement with care. ---
**Author:** ![yyy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/yyy/32/12085_2.png) [@yyy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/yyy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 4:40am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/9 "2017-06-07T04:40:59Z")
Here’s what the Ministry of Education actually said on May 17. [http://www.edu.tw/News\_Content.aspx?n=9E7AC85F1954DDA8&sms=169B8E91BB75571F&s=8AAEA83D2DF95C3A](http://www.edu.tw/News_Content.aspx?n=9E7AC85F1954DDA8&sms=169B8E91BB75571F&s=8AAEA83D2DF95C3A) > [@](#): > > 首頁 訊息公告即時新聞 > > 防範不適任人員進入補習班 補教法修正條文審查通過 > 終身教育司 > > 聯絡人：蔣鎮宇 電話： (02)7736-5669 電子信箱： achi@mail.moe.gov.tw > > 為回應社會各界對於加強管理短期補習班不適任人員的殷殷期待，立法院教育及文化委員會今（17）日繼續審查立法委員對於修正「補習及進修教育法」的提案條文，邀請教育部潘部長、衛生福利部、法務部及勞動部列席說明，最後在朝野高度共識下，完成「補習及進修教育法」第九條修正條文審查，重點包括短期補習班應揭露負責人及教職員工真實姓名、不得擔任補習班人員之資格規定、建立補習班不適任人員查詢及通報與處理機制等，均入法規範，並增訂罰則。 > 對於社會期待的實名制，明文規定短期補習班之招生、書面契約、廣告或宣傳，涉及負責人、教職員工姓名時，除立案名稱外，均應揭露其真實姓名；相關人員於執行業務及對外招生或廣告時，亦應揭露真實姓名。補習班於申請立案及人員異動時，均應檢附教職員工名冊及警察刑事紀錄等證明文件陳報地方政府主管教育行政機關核准，聘僱之教職員工為外國人者，於第一次申請聘僱許可時，應檢附外國人原護照國開具之行為良好證明文件，並明定主管機關應主動查證及得派員檢查，以加強補習班人員管理並防止補習班教學人員利用別名掩飾違法兼職等現象。 > 在防範不適任人員進入短期補習班任職部分，為強化現有管理機制，修正條文明定補習班相關人員知悉有發生性侵害、性騷擾等情形時，應依法向地方政府教育行政主管機關及有關機關通報，由地方政府教育行政主管機關受理通報及進行調查處理，相關部會並應建置及提供全國性資料庫協助查詢。未來有關資料蒐集、認定、任職前及任職期間之查詢、處理、利用及其他執行規定，由教育部會商地方政府教育主管機關及相關部會儘速訂定。 > 訂定罰則部分，包含不實廣告或宣傳、負責人或教職員工未以真實姓名揭露、未陳報教職員工名冊、未依規定進行通報及拒絕檢查等，均明定應處5萬元至25萬元的罰鍰，且經糾正、限期改善而未改善者，按次處罰，必要時並得令其停止招生或廢止立案，藉此提高政府對於全國18416家短期補習班的管理強度。 > 潘部長表示，本次修法感謝立法委員的支持，期待本法儘速完成二、三讀，希望藉由本次修法能強化短期補習班管理品質，維護學生權益及安全，未來將持續協調警政、社政跨單位全國性系統進行資訊連結或系統介接，以利地方教育主管機關查詢及利用。對於地方政府反映管理補習班人力不足之問題，教育部也將酌予補助部分經費，希望中央相關部會及地方各局處能一起攜手保護學生在短期補習班的安全，安定社會人心。 > > 上版日期：106-05-17 I don’t see anything about foreign wolves in there. Am I blind? ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/10 "2017-06-07T04:47:14Z")
Withdraw your slanderous article. I read the CNA article (I can read Chinese). It doesn’t attribute who said ‘foreign wolf teachers’. It just throws it in randomly throughout the story and then quotes the MOE. Total bullshit article with no references to its claims. Also your excuse that we were just quoting somebody is pathetic! You don’t even know who you are quoting. Fire yourself and your racist LAZY ass ‘reporters’. Rag. ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 5:54am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/11 "2017-06-07T05:54:29Z")
> [@yyy](#): > > 防範不適任人員進入補習班 補教法修正條文審查通過 > 終身教 Nice try yyy. That’s an official statement on their website, but CNA’s source was interviewing an MOE official in person. ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/12 "2017-06-07T05:55:58Z")
> [@kman](#): > > Nice try yyy. That’s an official statement on their website, but CNA’s source was interviewing an MOE official in person. We don’t mention “foreign wolf teachers” in our article. We would be negligent in not providing the full picture of what was being discussed as rationale for the crackdown. ---
**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 6:19am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/13 "2017-06-07T06:19:03Z")
What makes you say that? The CNA article doesn’t indicate that the MOE official said that. > We don’t mention “foreign wolf teachers” in our article. We would be negligent in not providing the full picture of what was being discussed as rationale for the crackdown. It looks to me like the TN just translated the article, and by using the language “in the light of” deepened the impression that there was some feeling from the MOE that this is fact, although that is not reflected either in the official statement or the official’s interview, that I can see. ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 8:53am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/14 "2017-06-07T08:53:13Z")
> [@tempogain](#): > > It looks to me like the TN just translated the article, and by using the language “in the light of” deepened the impression that there was some feeling from the MOE that this is fact, although that is not reflected either in the official statement or the official’s interview, that I can see. We toned down CNA’s version, taking out the “sex wolf reference.” When citing the MOE, CNA used the term 表示, which means “stated,” or “said.” “Previous frequent reports of foreign wolf teachers, the Ministry of Education said…” 過去外籍狼師頻傳，教育部今天表示 Are you suggesting the Central News Agency fabricated this statement by the Ministry of Education? ---
**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 9:08am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/15 "2017-06-07T09:08:44Z")
I’m suggesting that you’re misreading it. The full statement is: > 過去曾陸續傳出外籍狼師來台犯案，教育部終身教育司長黃月麗表示， **按照現行補習班管理準則，補習班聘僱外籍人士擔任補習班教師時，需附上台灣的警察刑事紀錄證明（良民證），這次修法特別明訂外籍教師聘僱規範，除了提高法律位階，也可依法開罰。** > 黃月麗指出， **這次修法規定，補習班聘用外籍人士擔任教職員工時，第一次申請聘僱許可時，需檢附外籍人士原護照國開具的行為良好證明文件，而主管機關應主動查證及得派員檢查，希望在入境前就作不適任人員管控。** What I bolded is what she _said_, presumably as paraphrased by the reporter. The phrase “過去曾陸續傳出外籍狼師來台犯案” _precedes_ any mention of a statement by her. The basis for the assertion within is unclear to me. Are you saying the text here definitely represents that this was stated by the MOE official? ---
**Author:** ![BHL4life](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/bhl4life/32/90885_2.png) [@BHL4life](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BHL4life)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 9:43am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/16 "2017-06-07T09:43:24Z")
barking up the wrong tree? i just asked whether its true or not, the writer was raped by a taiwanese teacher, and i haven’t seen “frequent reports” of foreigners raping their students. if i’ve missed them fair enough but i was only questioning. ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/17 "2017-06-07T10:25:03Z")
Taiwan News continues to peddle this horrible racist crap without fact checking, quotes persons unknown (if you implied somebody said something they didn’t you could be in for a nice lawsuit), and then the worst bit is blamed others for being the opposite of professional and ethical with a load of lame excuses. I’d have fired your ass if I was the boss because you’ve exposed your organization to a lawsuit , damaged the organizations reputation and do not know how to accept responsibility. You are actually willing to put your name to this? Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/18 "2017-06-07T16:33:21Z")
> [@tempogain](#): > > 準則，補習班聘僱外籍人士擔任補習班教師時，需附上台灣的警察刑事紀錄證明（良民證），這次修法特別明訂外籍教師聘僱規範，除了提高法律位階，也可依法開罰。 > 黃月麗指出，這次修法規定，補習班聘用外籍人士擔任教職員工時，第一次申請聘僱許可時，需檢附外籍人士原護照國開具的行為良好證明文件，而主管機關應主動查證及得派員檢查，希望在入境前就作不適任人員管控。 George translated that section of CNA’s article. It is a fact that CNA (a government news website that represents the words of the government) wrote this. We compile our articles based on a wide range of sources from translation to interviews to press conferences. I didn’t write this piece, so I don’t know of all the sources he used, but the point is that he was providing the service of translating what a government owned/run news site said about its rationale for passing the new law that affects English teachers (you’re welcome). MOE has not corrected CNA’s article. If you, tempogain, wish to pursue the matter futher, you should contact CNA and MOE. George is finished with the story. ---
**Author:** ![kman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@kman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kman)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/19 "2017-06-07T16:38:02Z")
The source is CNA, Taiwan’s government-run news service. If you feel that they are in error, you should contact CNA and ask them for clarification. We simply reported the what the government’s explanation was for the law. CNA is an extension of the government, understand? ---
**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259/20 "2017-06-07T16:46:33Z")
> [@kman](#): > > George translated that section of CNA’s article. It is a fact that CNA (a government news website that represents the words of the government) wrote this. [/quote] > > You keep glossing over my point. It’s irrelevant that the CNA wrote it for the purpose of this point of discussion. You have repeatedly represented the text in question as being part of a statement by the MOE. I am asserting that that is not true. Again, are you saying that it is? > > > We compile our articles based on a wide range of sources from translation to interviews to press conferences. I didn’t write this piece, so I don’t know of all the sources he used, but the point is that he was providing the service of translating what a government owned/run news site said about its rationale for passing the new law. > > I get it–it was translated. Unfortunately several bald assertions were translated along with it without even the most fundamental questioning of their substantiation. I can’t say that I understand your attitude about this. If I’m wrong here, I for one would appreciate having it pointed out to me. It’s clear to me that the reflexive bandying about of unsubstantiated, hurtful assertions like this isn’t in anyone’s best interest. It would seem to me the best course to try to substantiate their truth. As a member of the foreign community, I’m fully willing to recognize wrong done among us. I don’t appreciate having the buck handed my way in a tough situation when it’s not demonstrably deserved however. > > [quote]MOE has not corrected CNA’s article. If you, tempogain, wish to pursue the matter futher, you should contact CNA and MOE. George is finished with the story. I might just do that. Good day to you sir. [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreign-wolf-teachers/161259.md?page=2)