Was the 2004 Pres. election rigged by the ruling party?
- Maybe, but there’s cheating on both sides so who cares.
[quote=“ScottSommers”]Like Feiren I swore I would never again be dragged into this ridiculous topic. I have not read through the pages of posts in this rebirth of Taiwan lunacy because I don’t think a rehash of the same conspiracy theory is worth it.
Something I can’t help wondering when I read about election irregulaties in 2004 is how many people here have first-hand knowledge of elections. Honestly, has anyone here ever worked in an election campaign or an election scrutineer in their home country?
There are 2 issues at stake here: vote buying and ballot fraud. Everyone knows that in Taiwan parties buy loyalty. Whether or not this has an effect on major elections like presidential campaign is not at all clear, but it certainly does happen.
The major issue is whether or not there was ballot fraud. Ballot fraud is not the same as what frequently gets called irregularities. There are always irregularities in an election. What makes them fraud is if they are systematic and motivated. Betelnut seems to be implying that he has secret knowledge about these irregularities that makes them fraud. He would have start that other thread to convince anyone of this since not even the pro-Blue media seemed to know about them.[/quote]
regarding the election fraud, my film has many stories of intentional election fraud committed by election staff throughout the country in many ways. You can brush that off as heresay if you wish.
Remember, the evidence of supposed fraud is in the voter lists, and not the ballots. The ballots can be fixed, so there is no evidence there. The recount does not reveal much of anything.
And rememeber, the voter lists could not be copied by the opposition lawyers in the lawsuit, and the judges declined to review the voter lists in the lawsuits. Therefore if a voting station had 900 ballots and only 700 entries of people voting, that is considered to be okay to the judge because the voter list must have just been misused. The judges used this kind of logic to determine that nothing counts as fraud in the voter lists. Therefore, they didn’t even look at them.
Finally, as far as my film is concerned, I have video evidence of fraud being committed in Sanchong, Taipei County.
All of the election staff are either doing it or watching it happen.
They are counting and moving the ballots around. Getting rid of Lien ballots that have not been counted yet. They have to count the ballots to make sure the total is still correct otherwise you can tell something funny happened in the voting station just by the total votes not matching the voter list.
This video has been played on talk shows and at the 327 Rally, but I have it in slow motion in my film.
Once I release my film, no one can say that no election fraud took place in that election unless you want to interpret that several election staff sorting through piles of ballots to remove a certain candidate’s ballots to a pile of ballots which are votes that have been counted already, doesn’t qualify as fraud.
Finally, during the process of making the film, I learned that a DPP county commission who was promoted soon after the election did admit to someone who isn’t green that the government had prepared the election fraud and that the DPP would win for sure.
He said that the voter lists had been analyzed to see who would not vote, so that their ballots could be cast for them. He said that the government had utilized all the government resources to commit fraud. He said that there was nothing to worry about because the DPP would win for sure.
I’ve heard either first or second hand these kinds of things while making the film, that the government had planned the fraud.