Full body scanners

Some interesting articles about full body scanners.

New scanners break child porn laws: guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 … -porn-laws

Airports Set To Become Primary Peddlers Of Child Porn: prisonplanet.com/airports-se … -porn.html

TSA tries to assuage full-body scan concerns: msnbc.msn.com/id/34684245/ns … ngton_post

I’m a nervous wreck in airports.

Not too sure on my opinion about the full body scanners.

Leaning towards the: Yes, I’m all for it category. (I am male. I don’t have children) I think the full body scanners should be used only on passengers over 18

Your thoughts.

I think the human body is a natural thing, and therefore IMO there’s nothing wrong with nudity, so I don’t see why this should be a concern. It’s like nudist colonies and nude beaches. No big deal. :idunno:

Will it mean we can take water on airplanes again and elderly, infirm passengers will no longer be forced to get out of their wheelchairs? Then I’d be for it. Give us some of our freedoms back.

I’ve seen the pictures generated by full body scanners and you can’t see penises or vaginas using them.

Yet one thing we must consider: If we build a better mousetrap, the terrorists will build a better mouse. That is to say, all the security measures in the world will ultimately be futile. The best way to combat terrorism is not to piss people off in the first place.

This is getting into the realms of the ridiculous. I’ve seen the images from these scanners – we probably all have by now. If we’re to be concerned about kiddy porn from that point of view, then we should also ban x-rays for children. And kid’s shoes – some people get off on pictures of children’s shoes.

Unfortunately, I think they should go a step further and use full strenght X rays. The parts they need to check the most are the ones precisely called into question.

But yes, I agree with Chris: logic says you cannot put that many explosives on a kid… They did try that with drugs, though, but since they killed the babies for that, I guess airport scanners would catch them earlier.

You’re out of your mind. Before I’d be willing to consider full body scans I’d like to see evidence that they are even effective. I mean come on. After 911 we had increased security. Despite this, someone was able to get on board with a shoe bomb so then we had to remove our shoes at American security screenings. Then a bunch of terrorist tried a plot involving liquid explosives and we then lost the ability to bring any form of liquid or gels on to planes. Despite this a guy managed to get on the plane with explosive powder and a liquid filled syrnige. So now we will have to submit to a virtual strip search. You can get the best most technically sophisticated equipment in the world but if it is being operated by some drone making minimum wage it won’t amount to anything. Full strength X-rays??? Do you have any idea how much radiation that would expose some frequent flyers to??? Why don’t they just sedate everyone before boarding. Not only will we be more secure but the airlines will make a killing as they will be able to stack unconcious passangers like firewood.

“Those that are willing to give up their liberties for security deserve neither” - Benjamin Franklin.

And here I thought my sarcasm was clear… sigh

Please read my previous comment as a satire.

Though I like your idea of the sedation. Does come handy. :ponder:

Icon - Ex Airline Worker

Yeah, I’m opposed.

At least until Mennonites are involved in international terrorism, I say full-on racial/ethnic/national profiling is in order. If you’re from Yemen or Saudi Arabia, I have no problems with you being held up an extra 15 minutes at the airport while they check your shoes and give you a full body pat down.

Wont work, the savages will just stuff their butts up with explosives and give off one hell of a fart.

Everyone will have to parade nude for an hour while waiting in line and be subjected to full cavity searches (by the sex of their choice)… cant wait :smiley:

flying could be “fun” again.

Everything should be fine after we invade Yemen.

Sarcasm doesn’t translate well into Internet discussions without smilies… a corollary of Poe’s Law, I suppose.

But I guess it should have been clear from the use of prisonplanet.com as a source…

I think the use of these things is unbelievable. Privacy anyone? Although they say the face is scrambled out and that nothing is saved, how can we believe it? It scares me what things are going on back home. What’s next?

I don’t even like my doctor seeing me in my birthday suit, why would I want an airport security guy to?

If I absolutely must go to the States now, I make sure to fly airports where they’re not using these monstrosities yet.

Come on; we all go to a gym occasionally, me?, yes, not often but, you take a shower with the members of the same sex and anonymous people see your body. Hell, most don’t even want to see it.
The same is with body scans. What is the alternative?
Want to be blown out of the sky? Hell, guys (and REALY kinky women) can look at my willy if they want.
I have (numerous kids) and if they pass through the scan, I won’t be happy but I will be happier if we don’t say goodbye on a freefall decent after an explosion. You want to do international travel, this is better than a full body cavity scan that may come into being if we don’t compromise. Those who oppose the measure, do you have a better idea?
BTW, I predict the next major terrorist activity will be a bomb on a cruise ship. 3-5,000 people. Where is the security there? Hell, I’m staying home for the holidays.

After my predication, I wonder. . . . is the U.S and other counties looking to the future or just covering their ass at the present, If I can predict tis eventuality, are they? It seems the Pres. Obama is doing is best with insuffient and incompetent individuals. I sincerally object to that. He is the Persident of the most pwerful nation in the world and, I for one, want him to gt him right, this time and every time. Predict it and prevent it. JMHO

Israel doesn’t use them. They do “people profiling”.

They interview every passenger (especially from Transit) which have to show documents, papers, even emails on their laptop until every single doubt is cleared that their travel is for the purpose that they mention.
Half of the passengers gets their luggage hand checked.
In the West we won’t like this (privacy concerns and shit and pay for a huge scanner instead).

Its the people you got to look at! Not what they carry.

The guy in Detroit was on a goddamn list and should have been super strip searched.

The US is at war. So they should do it like Israel.

There are lots of “comitees” now discussing what to do next against it.
It will end up in another row of silly activism.
Maybe no more liquids at all, maybe no more hand luggage at all.
Lets all fly naked and have our luggage transported by a drone.

Boy, Howdy!

Our, and my father fought for this. If not, look back, yours did too at some pojnt. These are the foundation upon our criminal justice system is based. Do we want to change it? If so, are you a party?

4th Amendament: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

5th amendment: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

6ht Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

The 14th Amendment is important in this regard but not for these purposes so it is omited.
Now, what would you do at the airport? Before? After?
If you give up up minutia of your liberty, you will NEVER get it back, short of a revolution. Are you sure you want to do that?

PLEASE!!, don’t just glance over it. MANY people died to give you these rights. Read it carefully and think carefully. If you give up the right, trust me, you will never get it back.

We need to debunk the stupid, conservative-championed myth that security and liberty are inversely correlated. Nothing is less secure than a lack of liberty, and conversely, it is eminently possible to live in a free and secure society.

[quote=“Dragonbones”]I think the human body is a natural thing, and therefore IMO there’s nothing wrong with nudity, so I don’t see why this should be a concern. It’s like nudist colonies and nude beaches. No big deal. :idunno:[/quote] Save for the element of choice, and the potential for abuse. Both rather big deals.

[quote=“engerim”]Israel doesn’t use them. They do “people profiling”.

They interview every passenger (especially from Transit) which have to show documents, papers, even emails on their laptop until every single doubt is cleared that their travel is for the purpose that they mention.
Half of the passengers gets their luggage hand checked.
In the West we won’t like this (privacy concerns and shit and pay for a huge scanner instead).
[…]
The US is at war. So they should do it like Israel.[/quote]
Can’t do it. Israel’s effectively a fortress. Those defensive measures don’t scale up.
And the US isn’t at war, no more than there’s a war on drugs, on illiteracy, on poverty. Foolish and misleading rhetoric.