Headline in todays United Daily Evening News (Lianhebao.) Interesting, very interesting…
Tell us more please.
Am I wrong in thinking that is a KMT paper?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve heard Bamboo Union (竹聯幫) and the Four Seas Clan (四海幫[?]) members were apprehended by the police, with one such offender found to be a fugitive/thief or something or that sort…
Again, this was all the doing of the DPP, which sent these dissidents to disrupt the peaceful protests!
[quote=“aoi145”]Correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve heard Bamboo Union (竹聯幫) and the Four Seas Clan (四海幫[?]) members were apprehended by the police, with one such offender found to be a fugitive/thief or something or that sort…
Again, this was all the doing of the DPP, which sent these dissidents to disrupt the peaceful protests![/quote]
Shame on them. The links the DPP have with these gangs are well documented.
OHHHHHHHHHHHH KAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY
[quote=“aoi145”]Correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve heard Bamboo Union (竹聯幫) and the Four Seas Clan (四海幫[?]) members were apprehended by the police, with one such offender found to be a fugitive/thief or something or that sort…
Again, this was all the doing of the DPP, which sent these dissidents to disrupt the peaceful protests![/quote]
Any proof for this BS? We do know that two PFP legislators were treated for protest related wounds in the hospital!!!
Wonder what the gang connection will mean for the year-end elections.
DPP don’t need to perform well over the coming months, all they need is for the blues to continue like this.
“Someone” at the Taipei Times used the term “rent a mob” in today’s editorial. What’s the likelihood that those guys were paid for stirring things up?
but isn’t the bamboo union pro-kmt…thats what i always thought anyway…and aoi…do you have any evidence whatever to show the dpp sent those guys in? if not then shut the f$%^ up!
Er, I think aoi145 was being sarcastic guys. 
Am I wrong in thinking that is a KMT paper?[/quote]
The evening paper is even worse than the morning paper. Unfortunately, there isn’t a truly unbiased paper in Taiwan, and the two mass circulation ones (UDN and china Times) are both strongly anti-Green. There are some reporters that seem unbiased (or at least less biased); others seem like the Fifthe Column for the KMT/PFP. The editors are a uniform disgrace – which means the editorials and headlines are usually unreadable.
sorry thought aoi was a local hardcore kmt type with good english…agree prolly was being sarcastic resets jerked knee for next reaction
sorry for the use of sarcasm 
after my last feeble attempt at irony Juba blasted me for comparing the KMT to nazis…
I guess I should stop talking figuratively 
Taiwan politics looks like two ostrichs trying to headbutt each other through the sand
sorry for the use of sarcasm
after my last feeble attempt at irony Juba blasted me for comparing the KMT to nazis…
I guess I should stop talking figuratively [/quote]
Funny I considered that but finally decided you weren’t being sarcastic. My apologies
it’s alright - as long as no one gets hurt everything’s fine
more on the gangs - according to the media the rabble-rousers were men/women in black attire, wearing face masks with <something, forget the term> written upside-down on it
Hello? KMT = Gangsters.
[quote]Soong is on the road to nowhere
Published: June 13, 2001
Source: Taipei Times
Two polarized forces have been taking shape in Taiwan politics recently - one championing the “pro-Taiwan” or “localization” perspective, represented by President Chen Shui-bian and his predecessor Lee Teng-hui, and the other advocating the “pro-unification” or “pro-China” stance, represented by Kuomintang Chairman Lien Chan and his People First Party counterpart, James Soong.
Recently Soong said the emerging Chen-Lee camp was pro-Taiwan in name only, and that it was in reality teaming up with corrupt “black gold” elements. Coming from the likes of “Chung Hsing” Soong such a comment drips with irony.
The real significance of localization is not in the kind of strategy that Soong has been familiar with from his days in the KMT. The KMT regime had no foundation for its rule when it was forced to relocate to Taiwan in 1949 after being defeated by the communists. The party was therefore anxious to build local power bases. But many of the people it handpicked from the local population were the same fawning local gentry who had curried favor with the Japanese. Most of Taiwan’s more upright intelligentsia and local leadership were killed in the pogrom that followed the February 28 Incident in 1947 - or they fled overseas to avoid persecution. So the KMT basically used a handful of opportunistic politicians to suppress the majority Taiwanese - exactly the same method the Japanese had used.
The next batch of local KMT supporters that rose to prominence were gangsters who could fulfill the party’s election needs. Both of these groups became the beneficiaries and collaborators in the KMT’s repressive rule. The KMT has so many black gold legislators today because it was so eager to go to bed with those local faction heads in order to solidify its rootless alien regime. Almost all of the legislators in Soong’s PFP are KMT deserters. The PFP’s black gold factor is exactly the same as the KMT’s. So Soong is in no position to be pointing fingers at anyone else.
However, he is well-qualified to talk about the KMT’s localization strategy since he was an important KMT official from 1984 up until his fallout with Lee. Over the years, Soong rose steadily in the ranks of the KMT and the government - from head of the party’s cultural affairs department to party secretary-general to provincial governor. Among the Taiwanese “elite” he cultivated from the grassroots level were Cheng Tai-chi, the former Pingtung County Council speaker executed for a brutal 1994 murder; legislators-cum-convicts Kuo Ting-tsai and Wu Tze-yuan; the gang boss Lo Fu-chu and his son Lo Ming-tsai; Liao Hwu-peng, indicted for graft; Lin Min-yi, another gangster, and Taichung County Council Speaker Yen Ching-piao, indicted for corruption. The list goes on. Soong is also working very closely with former Legislative Yuan Speaker Liu Sung-pan, involved in the Kuangsan Group embezzlement scandal. Soong is rightly termed the “godfather of black gold legislators.”
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taiwanheadlines.gov.tw/20010 … 613o1.html
Very insightful writing from three years ago, yes??
:s
More:
[quote]In the end perhaps the root of Taiwan’s problem lies in its own history. Before the Japanese occupation Taiwan was a notoriously violent and lawless frontier society. It had a great influx of settlers from China, many of whom were young, unmarried men, and vicious competition for resources. The system of local government was rudimentary at best and almost utterly ineffective. In such times, people did what they normally do, paid the local tough guy for protection, a role that also involved dispute resolution between members of a community. Since the government could not control such men it granted them official titles to sustain the fiction of central control.
And there you have it, local government by gangsters, vastly preferable in the eyes of the Taiwanese to no government at all. Here we have local “muscle” being used to gain access to political and economic spoils which are used to legitimize community standing. This sounds as good a description of things in, say, Yunlin County today as it was 150 years ago.
Of course telling TI that the problem behind Taiwan’s corruption is its last 250 years of history is not very useful. But nor is it useful to play political “name and blame.” Let us at least admit that the problem begins at the local level, with the factions. Let us also admit that these factions did serve a purpose that members of a community found useful – even if their exaction were financially onerous. Then let us ask how people can be persuaded that these factions are anachronistic – and here let us note that it is still more effective to settle many disputes through the help of your local “big brother” than it is to go through the courts. How are Taiwanese to be shown that clean government can and does work?[/quote]
globalpolicy.org/nations/cor … taipei.htm
Some kind of organisation must have been involved in toppling the scaffolding. Note - only the first scaffold to be toppled fell across the razor wire - the others were toppled across the crowd area with the intention of blocking the police and/or trying to batter through the razor wire barricade in front of the president’s office. To do that safely, dozens or hundreds of demonstrators had to be cleared away from where the towers would fall. That can only have been done by a group of people with some degree of organisation and perceived authority. Gangsters would be likely candidates for such a role.
Completely disagree. You need 1 person with an air of authority who can organise others to do what he wants. As soon as he gets a few people helping him (and it’s then obvious what they’re trying to do - a few people starting to push, a couple of people yelling at people to get out the way), people will naturally get out of the way, or help out.
Besides, if you’re looking for an organisation with ‘perceived authority’, why are you looking beyond the organisation that organised the rally?
The bottom line is the KMT and PFP fired up the crowd but did not (and did not want to) disperse the crowd. Lien and Soong were nowhere to be found after 6pm (though Soong came back briefly later). The gangsters were able to inceite a riot (if that is indeed what happened) only because the protest leaders had disappeared.
yesh watching on tv it was pretty obvious there were a bunch a people up front who really had no business being there…old soldiers and hysterical housewives have been the core of the demo’s so far…and then suddenly there’s a bunch of binglang chewing fuckwits in the frontline…i doubt these people were brought in by the KMT but they still have to take the blame for losing control of their own demo…it’s absolutely sickening that lien chan can still go on tv and say a-bian must take the blame for the violence (god just give me 5 minutes alone in a room with that weasel…a lifetime of non-violence would be over in a flash) big ups to mayor ma tho’ for not dragging his feet on use of the water canons
Did you notice how some of the people had “PFP” in big block letters on the back of black jackets with orange (?) collars? Sort of the “FBI” equivalent or “ATF.”
They seemed to be the ringleaders.
What has gone through my mind in a psychological framework is whether the people who ended up staying there and making asses out of themselves came to the protest thinking, “I’m going to stay here until they man-handle me out.” Was staying and being pigheaded premeditated?