Same Sex Marriage

stats always have deviations.

Just read Icon’s post. I think she covered all the bases.

of course, i’m not saying all men are going to be disagreeable and all women will be agreeable. But we know the traits men exhibit and at the end they usually score higher on more of the ones than women do.

btw, are you really not sure if @Hanna are able to read?

I literally said they aren’t defined…she then says they are not defined in protest…what?

“they arent set but they are innate”, and “they arent defined” are the same?

So I believe society has a role.

I wanted to be a clinical psychologist or therapist before. So I volunteered, worked, and interned at a mental institution and rehab. I have hundreds of clinical hours logged. And it’s very clear to me the roles of the mother or lack of a mother or a father or lack of a father does. Also the impact of biological relations is something to observe. And these are rich families, it’s 40k a month to go there as a private institution. It’s really interesting to see.

they arent set is the same as they aren’t defined. Innate is something you are born with, just because i’m naturally good at math doesn’t mean i’ll be a scientist.

So you can see that the problem is that that person was suppose dto be tehre and there was a void. Moreover, society and teh family obssessed on teh void and told the kid he was mising something, that he was the one eyed man in a blind men world. The problem is not what was missing but what was there. The remaining figures lacke dthe affection, lacked discipline because ‘poor kid does not have a leg because he has no father’. they did not move on from the trauma.

It is not a matter of money. I also went othsi fancy school. Kids were not even raised by the help, they were fed, like the dogs you see in Taiwan locked in cages all their lives. No games, no love, but they look very clean and pretty.

And if the single parent is a man, isn’t it the exact same thing?

The wage gap myth has been debunked several times, Last time it was done by Hardard last year, that proved again that wage differences between men and women are caused by personal choices.

An article which sums up the researcher’s conclusion, it includes a link to all Harvard’s data:

I find it shocking that even though that nonsense has been debunked dozens of times, we’re still talking about it as if it was an actual thing just because the enlightened administration #44 had to score some easy social justice points and decided to make it a big thing using data that even Koko (rip her) would have considered ridiculous.

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In fact, up until the average age for giving birth women earn more than men.

If the salary thing was a myth, why would a place like Finland make it illegal?

I´ll believe it the day “personal choices” does not include sleeping with the boss in order to get a promotion. Or “personal choices” are not influenced by finding day care for the kids. In equal situation, with the same education and experince, women still have less options: less work offers, less salary. Especially in Taiwan, Asia in general. Not NYC.

so your optimal roles of mom and dad are described by statistical innate roles/triats for women and men, and any parents deviated from them are less optimal parents?

Equal pay for equal work exists in most countries, either in the constitution, labor act or whatever document they put it in. It’s a myth because the way the data was calculated didn’t take under consideration all the factors that lead to income differences (men working overtime more often than women, women taking more leaves, different jobs etc etc). So if you take under consideration all factors, men and women earn the same amount of money and any real “gap” is not systemic, but simply situational.

Well, men don’t often get that option… It seems to me like the wage-climb discriminates against working men!

Single fathers have that problem too.

That’s exactly the myth that researchers like the people at Harvard debunk every year, and their studies get swept under the rug because you cannot score social justice points with those. The Harvard study took into consideration people who were doing the exact same job and tried to figure out why there was a wage gap, and over the course of the years it turned that it was all easily explained by personal choices.

I think it’s about time to move away from the victim mentality when it comes to working conditions in civilized countries, because “I’m underachieving because of the patriarchy” is exactly the same as “I’m underachieving because immigrants stole my job”. It’s convenient, but that’s all there is about it.

In before:“I have a friend/I know someone / it happened to me” → anecdotal evidence is not as relevant as Harvard’s research

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Again, is it a personal choice when your grades are lowered by the college authorities because they do not want women as doctors because women shouldn´t be doctors? That is one of the sample cases from Japan.

I am looking at the numbers in Taiwan. Women have higher scores than men, enter the work force earlier which means they have more experience, yet the salary curve is always less. Is it a personal choice to ask for less salary, not to say not to go for promotions?

Women are not underachievers but are not being evaluated with the same ruler as men. In equal conditions, we should be making same money for same job with same expeince and same ducation. I understand in developed countries it might be different but if you see beyond US academia, most European countries do have policie sin place not because of victimization or SJW but because it makes economic sense to have a fairer economic participation.

Something tells me you didn’t read anything from the article I linked above.

The equal pay for equal work regulations have existed for years, sometimes decades. What happened in more recent times is that enough people bought into the wage gap nonsense and started complaining about it, and many politicians saw it as an easy way to increase their voter base.

If an ideal system with “equal pay” is a system where men who work overtime earn the same as women who don’t, I’ll be glad to sexually identify as woman, thanks. Maybe that will also allow me to apply for a full maternal leave instead of the highly privileged 3 days of paternal leave.

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What I question is the sample. Again, thsi is not worldwide data. I am pointing Taiwan while Harvard worked US.

A system in which your pay is given according to your gender, not hours worked, is not equal. That is not whet I am describing here. I am stating that there are procedures in place, sustained by societal bias, by which women are denied the same opportunities as men, example in education, the Japan case, because “women cannot be doctors becaus ethey leave when they get pregnant”.

Equal pay for equal work. That is not what you are proposing. One over the other is still not in balance. The system as it is not is unbalanced.

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Let’s look at it the other way:“We want to hire males because they will not take paternal leave since the society expects them to provide for their family”. Talking about societal bias.

How much paid time do men get on paternity leave? And women? Is it even remotely equal if you consider amount and duration?

An economist who knows a bit more than any of us made a case against affirmative action/equality for women based on a very simple and irrefutable fact: if women are less productive, and they are because they tend to have kids, the options are:

a) You give women the option to work for a bit less, thus giving employers the possibility to make a decision

b) You setup a system that forces employers to pay less productive workers as much as more productive workers, giving them a very good reason to only hire the more productive ones, like the case of Japanese doctors.

And this isn’t even considering the working hours (more on this later).

I know that it would be more heart warming to think of utopias where a newborn child allows both parents to get like three years of full parental leave paid by the state, but that’s not how things can work.

Men work longer hours. On page two, with data from 2018: the huge blue line shows the percentage of men and women working 40+ hours shifts. Men are more than women in every country.
Men work longer hours, they don’t get pregnant, they don’t get paid for months of paternity leave, and women should earn as much as them because…?

My answer is: because politicians who say so know that they will rack up a nice stack of votes by roughly 50% of the potential voter base.

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By your statements, you are putting the blame of no parental leave on feminists when the truth it is the greedy capitalist bosses who do not want to spend out of pocket. By limiting breadwinners pero family to one they promote dependence on teh job, people who canot afford to leave the jobs and hence have no negotiation tools for better salaries and working conditions.

If in the case of Japan you define work as drinking with the buys, you will see that yes, they do longer hours in a medium that is closed for women unless they are serving the drinks.

Now, US for example, doe snot have regulated maternal leave, so you cannot have parental leave either because neither are set as fundamental worker rights. That is a socialist concept, right? Like health insurance for all.

Now, in more socialist, ehem, flexible places like Finland and Denmark, they have both paternal and maternal leave. Now that is fair. Let it be voluntary to battle the poop from diapers. I bet there are many men who would rather be wiping their kids ass than kissing the bosses’… if given a chance.

Assuming all women will marry and have kids at college level is not logical. Most countries when you ask for maternal leave it is career suicide and you are left out. That would not be the case if there was parental leave. Or day care facilities. If you had those, the economy would be mroe active. There would be more people. That is the case in Japan.

Politicians cater to their boss, not their constituency. Their bosses are the corporations and the 1% rich people who contribute to their campaigns, since democracy nowadays is a beauty pageant/popularity contest on social media. It is to the big corporations benefit that workers have no tools for negotiation nor can have mobility. Voters vote out of fear or manipulation.

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That would take too long to discuss. It all goes back to when women were encouraged to enter the work force, thus largely increasing the amount of workers while not increasing the demand for goods (and actually reducing it long term, due to reduced birth rates).
Fast forward to today, now there are also the “open borders” people, which guarantee that employers will have a non stop source of labor without ever having to offer higher salaries or improved benefits. And when the state gets involved and start saying:“Hey, you gotta increase the salaries!” → they move abroad. Globalism, yo!

I believe women should be able to do what they want to do. Some women want to have a successful career and don’t care about having a family, others are the opposite and would prefer to stay home and raise a whole basketball team, others are in between etc etc, but no matter what someone decides to do, there are consequences both for men and women.

Even regardless of maternity, women work shorter hours than men on average, so why should they expect to be paid the same amount of money on average?

and the wage gap myth has been working great if you consider how many politicians rose to notoriety by becoming shining white knights.