Germany's deception

I’ve taken this from a thread on global warming where it is getting off topic:

Interesting… very interesting… i seem to have missed all that when i visited Germany recently… :ponder:

Could you point me toward your source? I’d like to see a more detailed analysis of the German situation… thanks in advance![/quote]
Gosh, there are so many sources. This is common knowledge.[quote]
What do you mean by “this”?

[quote]Economic Miracle Eludes Germany’s Lowest-Paid
All Work and Low Pay: Getting By Without Minimum Wage in Germany[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Thank you kindly for the URLs. I see now what you mean by “this”: the last part of your statement. I understand from these articles that in place of a minimum wage there is a welfare system in place, and thinking about it carefully i also understand that this amounts to subsidizing the companies that pay wages below the poverty line…

So… any leads to sources for the other part (“Germany has a long history of socialism, unemployment, and not enjoying the fruits of laissez-faire”)?

TIA again

Socialism: Well, East Germany was a commie state and lasted 1949 - 1990 (never sure when exactly it ceased to exist in the 1989-91 turmoil). Besides that the governance of the social-democratic party might be called socialism by US-Republicans, but was really mainstream governance with a tad to the left in the older days or even being downright in the middle with the last SPD chancellor Schroeder and his market-liberal reforms and social cuts.

Unemployment: Before the Nazi times the Great Depression had hit Germany hard, leading to the demise of the democratic government and the rise of Hitler. Afterwards I guess we were rather mainstream (having a bit of a low before the aforementioned market-liberal reforms) or doing quite well.

and not enjoying the fruits of laissez-faire Not sure what that would be. But then again, I am German. :slight_smile:

You mean like, umm, Wal-mart?

The difference is that when Germans see lower-paid workers stuck in jobs that don’t pay a living wage, while their employers shift the burdens on to society to line their own pockets, they think it’s a problem. Right-wingers in the Anglosphere think it’s a solution.

Some may argue that having a lower paying job is better than no job at all.

I remember for many years we were saying in Germany that it would be an American thing to have to have 2 jobs to be able to get along. Now it is seemingly starting in Germany as well. So the “deception” is rather an Americanization in my book.
Many years ago people said street gangs and violence would be an American thing and expected it to come to Germany as well, through what they called “Americanization” those days. Well, it has arrived in the meantime. It is actually globalization with a global capitalism being more dominant than social standards of countries rather than Americanization, though the US is surely a driving force here.

This feels like a useless discussion without a clue. Still jabbering about now and then is fine I guess. :slight_smile:

I made the initial post to highlight what jotham has written in the context of another discussion, hoping he would come by and deliver some more of his brand of “analysis”, but he hasn’t found his way here yet.
There are, of course, real problems in Germany (problems associated with parts of Germany’s “social market economy” being replaced with “capitalism” - maybe that will change after the next election, but i’m not holding my breath), but what jotham suggested was: “Germany has a long history of socialism, unemployment, and not enjoying the fruits of laissez-faire like English-speaking countries”. Huh?

“Wild and woolly”, to use a Canadian expression, or “off the wall”…