Giant TCR 2 or DEFY 3?

As per topic. Which one should I buy? I am a beginner and someone recommended the two models to me. Any input from the more experienced cyclists here? Thanks in advance. :notworthy:

Edit: I was typing on my mobile, thus the brief first message.

More info: My budget is NT$20,000. My height is 1.86, weight around 88kg. I read reviews from cycling blogs in the US, Australia, and the UK. Both bikes received very favourable reviews. Conclusion: The TCR seems to be more suitable for racing while the DEFY is rated more comfortable; more suitable for slower riders. The DEFY received numerous awards, and so did the TCR.

Therefore, any suggestions or hands-on experience?

I only tried the carbon versions.

The TCR was stiffer and snappier than the Defy, more reactive when hammering. It also tracked better in the turns.
It’s better for racing but probably not the best choice if you are a beginner. A stiffer frame means it will get a lot harder to get the bike moving ounce you get tired and don’t have much “punch” anymore.
The Defy is also said be better at filtering vibrations, but I can’t tell as I tried both bikes with different wheels (and that changes a lot of things…).

I think you should go with the Defy, especially if the groupset/wheels/components are better than on the TCR. It’s still a very competitive bike anyway.

Maybe you could request to test both bikes ? (is such thing possible in TW?)

I just noticed that I posted this in the wrong place; should be in the cycling forum. :blush: Mods, please move as you see fit.

Slightly wrong section! Afterall it’s about fitness anyway, not too bad xD

I own the TCR2, so I can give you some hints because I went to the same selection as you, and eventually decided to go for the TCR rather than the Defy.

Geometry: the Defy is considered a sportive bike while the TCR is more race oriented, but the geometry of the 2 bikes is extremely similar. If you go to the Giant’s website and have a look at their geimetry side by side, you’ll notice the differences are extremely limited. The TCR by default has a stem which puts you in a very aerodinamic position, while the Defy comes with a more relaxed angle. That’s easily fixed: if you want a more comfortable TCR turn the stem upside down, or ask the lbs to change it for a different (shorter) stem. If you want a more “racey” Defy follow the opposite process.

Frame material: they’re both alloy but they’re made in a different way, and the TCR is sensibly lighter. The only advantage of the Defy is that it has braze ons, useful if you want to fit a rack or stuff like that.

Components: TCR is miles ahead. It’s not that the Sora components on the Defy are bad, but having a 10 speed setup opens up a HUGE amount of customization, and replacements are plentiful. With 9 speed you’re stuck with Sora, with 10 speed you can choose between Tiagra, 105 or Ultegra (let’s not consider Dura Ace, we’re not professionals) and a lot of third party companies produce 10 speed components in larger quantities than the 8 or 9 speeds. In Taiwan Shimano is pretty affordable, but if one day you need to replace something and you want to save a bit of money, Microshift gives you plenty of options in different colors (and it works nice!).

Wheels: if I remember correctly they are the same, I didn’t investigate them a lot because I already had some Shimano wheels and when I bought the bike I let them keep the wheels and I got a 1600nt discount. No idea about the feel of the standard Giant wheels.

Why did I go for the TCR?
By swapping the stem I got the same relaxed position as the Defy, on a much better (and lighter) frame. Moreover now both my bikes (TCR and Fuji Gran Fondo) run on a 10 speed setup, very convenient for replacements and swapping parts. I paid 22.300nt after discount, the Defy would have cost me around 17500nt, for that price difference it was a pretty easy choice for me.

A lot of beginners tend to prefer triple front mech in order to have an easier life uphill. My experience is as follows:
I’m Italian but I lived far from any famous mountains, so in Italy I’ve always used doubles.
Traveled to Australia and rode thousands of kms, that’s as flat as it can get, only used doubles
Moved to Taiwan, bought a flat bar with a double to go to class/work. I approached a mountain and I started to feel the cold embrace of death: moved to a triple. After no longer than 2 months training with the triple I got a new bike that had a double: I began doing hills pretty easily, and eventually I got used to it, now I have 2 bikes with double front gearing.

A double is a nice challenge if you ride uphill for the first time, but if you just keep pushing you’ll notice that after 2 or 3 weeks you’ll start to feel better, and better, and better, and eventually you’ll forget the bigger ring at the back.

Conclusion:
The TCR is a better bike, and that’s the reason why it’s 25% more expensive than the Defy. If you can stretch your budget you’ll get a great bike that can be adjusted to have a comfy ride right when you buy it. If it’s over budget, then the Defy is a great bike that people all over the world praise for being a bargain at its price, and in Taiwan it’s a good 25/30% cheaper than anywhere else.
It’s pretty much a Win-Win for you, I’d vote for the TCR but the Defy was the final contender in my choice for a new alloy bike, after ruling out Merida, Khs, Specialized etc etc.

Since you’re pretty tall, make sure to buy it in a place where they can do the fitting properly. Giant stores usually have all the equipment, just make sure with the staff that they can help you with that. If they tell you something like:“Ordering an L? Nooooo we have an M in stock here, it will be fine for you! Get it today!” just change store, at 1.86 you need a L frame (MAYBE M/L could fit as well, but I’m 180cm and M/L is perfect for me, would be surprised if it was comfy for you).

Thank you double-g and especially to Ibis2k12 for your detailed reply. Very much appreciated.

My mind is pretty much set on the TCR 2 mainly because it has a better overall cost vs performance value than the DEFY 3.

In addition, does anybody here have first-hand knowledge of/experience with the Giant ANYROAD 1 or 2? I’m asking since somebody just recommended I take this model into consideration before making a final decision. A good-looking bike, but perhaps in a different class than the TCR 2?

The Anyroad is a very different bike, it sits somewhere between a road bike and a cyclocross one. If you don’t really plan to ride offroad then the Anyroad doesn’t make a lot of sense, but with that in mind it’s a very comfortable bike with pretty wide tyres. Compared to a Defy/Tcr it’s quite a bit heavier and due to the wheels/tyre setup also slower, but if you don’t mind about that it’s a good bike (and looks great in black)!

I’m not a huge fan of disc brakes on road bikes because at the moment there are very few companies making compatible wheels at an affordable price,so if you want to upgrade the wheels of the Anyroad to something lighter and more road-oriented it could cost quite a bit of money, whereas a road bike with regular caliper brakes can be upgraded on the cheap.

[quote=“Ibis2k12”]The Anyroad is a very different bike, it sits somewhere between a road bike and a cyclocross one. If you don’t really plan to ride offroad then the Anyroad doesn’t make a lot of sense, but with that in mind it’s a very comfortable bike with pretty wide tyres. Compared to a Defy/Tcr it’s quite a bit heavier and due to the wheels/tyre setup also slower, but if you don’t mind about that it’s a good bike (and looks great in black)!

I’m not a huge fan of disc brakes on road bikes because at the moment there are very few companies making compatible wheels at an affordable price,so if you want to upgrade the wheels of the Anyroad to something lighter and more road-oriented it could cost quite a bit of money, whereas a road bike with regular caliper brakes can be upgraded on the cheap.[/quote]

Yes, I got the same impression going through data on the web. Thanks for your input on the disc/caliper brakes; it is not something I would have given any consideration at all. Ignorance is indeed bliss (not) in my case.

Anyway, I might buy the bike quite soon and will keep those interested updated.

Thanks again, Ibis2k12, you were a great help. :notworthy:

No worries, glad I could help!

The only issue I’ve had so far with my TCR is that from the moment that I stepped outside to head to the lsb and pick it up until now it has never stopped raining for 4 days, lol

As mentioned before I cannot tell you anything about the wheels/tyres of the TCR as I’ve replaced them immediately, maybe they’ll be great, maybe good, maybe so-so, no idea, but if you’re just beginning they’ll be perfect (=bombproof and easily serviced by any store).

Just a quick update for the posters who replied, FWIW.

I decided on the TCR 2, size Large, colour Black. A good-looking bike IMO. It is also available in Red and White, but I think the Black looks pretty cool.

We are now negotiating the price, listed at around NT$ 28,000. Let’s see how good my bargaining skills are.

[quote=“David S”]Just a quick update for the posters who replied, FWIW.

I decided on the TCR 2, size Large, colour Black. A good-looking bike IMO. It is also available in Red and White, but I think the Black looks pretty cool.

We are now negotiating the price, listed at around NT$ 28,000. Let’s see how good my bargaining skills are.[/quote]

I got a discount of about [strike]11[/strike]12% when I bought mine, and yesterday I bought my gf’s bike with a 10% discount plus a cable locker, a water bottle, a t-shirt, and I don’t remember if there was something else. Don’t buy accessories in Giant unless they are special offers, other shops might have what you need at lower prices.

[quote=“David S”]Just a quick update for the posters who replied, FWIW.

I decided on the TCR 2, size Large, colour Black. A good-looking bike IMO. It is also available in Red and White, but I think the Black looks pretty cool.

We are now negotiating the price, listed at around NT$ 28,000. Let’s see how good my bargaining skills are.[/quote]

The full red version looked very dull to me, I went for the black too!
Size sounds about right for you.
Are you getting it from a Giant flagship store, or a Giant retailer? I got a better deal from a retailer!

Just got the bike. I paid NT$22,000 for it.

that’s a pretty good deal, congrats!

$22,000 for TCR 2??
They’re more than double the price here in Australia :frowning:

Giant, Merida and Fuji in Taiwan are incredibly cheap compared to other countries! And most components are much cheaper as well.
I spent 28000 for my full carbon Fuji Gran Fondo, which is less than 1000au$

[quote=“dajackal”]$22,000 for TCR 2??
They’re more than double the price here in Australia :frowning:[/quote]

Yes, I was quite surprised whilst researching the TCR 2 to read on cycling forums from Australia, the US, and England that the bike was that more expensive over there.

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Twice the price, twice the post :laughing:

Question for clarity: which Giant TCR 2 is being discussed here? Looking at Giant’s Taiwan website, I see the TCR Advanced SL 2, the TCR Advanced 2, the TCR Composite 2, and the TCR SLR 2. Or is it a different model that no longer exists?

EDIT: OK, Googling takes me to the Taiwanese TCR 2 page - but that seems to be “orphaned” in that as best I can tell it’s no longer linked to by Giant. Should I take that to mean the model is no longer for sale here?

[quote=“lostinasia”]Question for clarity: which Giant TCR 2 is being discussed here? Looking at Giant’s Taiwan website, I see the TCR Advanced SL 2, the TCR Advanced 2, the TCR Composite 2, and the TCR SLR 2. Or is it a different model that no longer exists?

EDIT: OK, Googling takes me to the Taiwanese TCR 2 page - but that seems to be “orphaned” in that as best I can tell it’s no longer linked to by Giant. Should I take that to mean the model is no longer for sale here?[/quote]

From what I can gather, TCR2 is now TCR1, just by looking at the list price. OP said it listed at 28,000NTD and got it for 23,000NTD. The only TCR that is the price is the TCR1 which the Taiwan Giant website shows.

I could be wrong. I also have not seen a TCR1 white/blue on the road. I personally like the black/red color, but every other bike on the road is black. I’d go with what stands out =)

Also, can anyone shed some light as to why the entire Defy line (except for the compact) are all disc breaks?