I didn’t read the paper.
Really? I’d think that would be much higher at a much lower age. <5
I googled it. For example:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-between-Male-and-Female-archery-performance-in-World-Records-and_tbl2_352068134
I googled javelins as well (girls have smaller javelins), not only do they use a lighter javelin in competition, the all time female record holder is still doesn’t make the top 25 when men are included
Javelin throw - Wikipedia.
and have seen the example of throwing before. For example:
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/698225
Reading your economist article:
You’re gonna gave to support that for me
For hunting, and sending the women off to jog long distances for hunting. That’s in there?
Yup. He does a deep dive into we we run, how we run, and in one section how we can run down a deer.
The women part, not so much, but it was a while back. Someone , either the author or a researcher went on a hunt with an African tribe, but can’t recall if women were in the group. I think they called it off because the guy, the researcher/author couldn’t hack it.
Either way. It’s a must read. Up there with Seneca’s letters. ![]()
The argument is that women probably went hunting because they have more endurance than men. I can concede the endurance part (this was established in another thread IIRC), and I trust your reading skills enough to accept that humans were more likely to run after prey than spear it (not 100% convinced, but for the sake of argument).
Where I am still not convinced is tribes sending their young women running farther than anyone else in the tribe can go to chase down deer. I have given a few reasons above
Given their child rearing obligations and their value as booty, I wouldn’t think it was a thing.
I’m just trying to push that book. It’s really good!
Yeah. If we include gathering fish in nets, or gathering bunnies from snares, these are things women (anyone) could easily do to collect animal protein near cave and camp, ok. Hunting.
As a hunter, snort of derision, eye’d say that’s trapping.
And fishing?
Fishing with a net isn’t fishing. It’s weaving and getting your feet wet.
Probably not, but still
It’s interesting how this whole discovery got a second wind this late after all the shit Ancient Apocalypse had to say about it last year sometime. I’m not entirely sure what changed – if it’s the dating method or whatnot. At any rate, it should be noted that there seem to be some real issues with the manner it was dated in. At least as of August this year, when the below linked article was penned… At least Danny Natawidjaja is actually published in something actually related to archaeology now, as he’s basically just a geographic surveyor with a focus on volcanoes, at least from a cursory look at his career.
This article goes into it. Published by an actual archaeologist, for what it’s worth. There are some moments where he clarifies points that really shed some light on Danny’s methodology and ability to perform anything actually archaeological. Hopefully we can look forward to some scientist journal bickering in the future over this and hopefully get a slightly more impartial research team in there. It’s a great blog, btw. Been reading it on and off for a few years.
I take everything that comes out of China with a shaker of salt, but if this is accurate, pretty interesting. I’m out of SCMP freebies, so will copy the archived version below
Looks like art was pretty shit back then. I could do better than that. ![]()
The painting shows a pig standing still with its mouth partly open and at least three human-like figures.
The largest human figure has both arms extended and appears to be holding a rod. The second is immediately in front of the pig with its head next to its snout. It also seems to be holding a stick, one end of which may be in contact with the pig’s throat. The last human-like figure seems to be upside-down with its legs facing up and splayed outwards. It has one hand reaching towards and seemingly touching the pig’s head.
I often think this when I read about artworks, but I’m having a hard time seeing any of this. ![]()
It just needs a touch up


