# Got into an argument with a bus driver **URL:** \ **Category:** General Legal Matters\ **Created:** [October 25, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590 "2023-10-25T00:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Dr\_Milker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dr_milker/32/181996_2.png) [@Dr\_Milker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Dr_Milker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/146 "2023-10-25T07:18:38Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > But that was proven in court as not a public insult. Good to see precedent. I remember people being successfully charged for that in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Joebie](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Joebie](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Joebie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:19am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/147 "2023-10-25T07:19:32Z")
> [@Malasang88](#): > > One thing I’ve always wondered about this public insult law is where is the line. I wonder the same thing. Can questioning someone’s logic be considered an insult to their intelligence and make them lose face? If so, I better stop pointing out people’s mistake at work. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:20am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/148 "2023-10-25T07:20:47Z")
I mean, yeah, usually they are successfully charged, but they are not successfully convicted. ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:21am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/149 "2023-10-25T07:21:09Z")
The devil is in the detail! [Prosecutors drop case against foul-mouthed Australian - Taipei Times](https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2010/09/09/2003482471) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Milker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dr_milker/32/181996_2.png) [@Dr\_Milker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Dr_Milker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:21am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/150 "2023-10-25T07:21:49Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > I mean, yeah, usually they are successfully charged, but they are not successfully convicted. I remember fines being paid. But this was a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:30am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/151 "2023-10-25T07:30:07Z")
> [@Malasang88](#): > > > [@Mr\_PBH](#): > > > > Btw, I’d have said I flipped off the bus not the driver. “I didn’t even see the driver. I just knew I missed the bus. I was really flipping off my bad luck.” > > One thing I’ve always wondered about this public insult law is where is the line. Can I just ask a question like ‘are you stupid’? I’m not actually saying you are stupid, but I want to know. Or ‘Do you know how to drive?’. > > How about - 'Can you go fuck yourself '? I’m not saying you should, but might be helpful if you could. It is interesting, for me at least. My guess is questions are generally less of a problem than statements. But what do I know? Middle finger should be a clear no-go for anyone who’s been here for a decade plus. I think the law is daft, but it what it is. ---
**Author:** ![user86](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/u/2acd7d/32.png) [@user86](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/user86)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/152 "2023-10-25T07:33:17Z")
> [@anon24369109](#): > > Bus driver can claim due to safety that he didn’t open the doors. That’s why passengers are not allowed to open the doors and disembark anywhere they feel like it. This happened at a bus stop. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:49am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/153 "2023-10-25T07:49:59Z")
> [@Dr\_Milker](#): > > > [@Marco](#): > > > > I mean, yeah, usually they are successfully charged, but they are not successfully convicted. > > I remember fines being paid. But this was a long time ago. It’s hard to know without knowing the full story. It is possible they didn’t want to go to court or spend extra money and accepted guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Milker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dr_milker/32/181996_2.png) [@Dr\_Milker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Dr_Milker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:51am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/154 "2023-10-25T07:51:13Z")
Yes, or dinosaur judge. There were a lot more of them around back in the good old days. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:52am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/155 "2023-10-25T07:52:10Z")
Possibly. Transitioning to democracy is often messy. ---
**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 9:21am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/157 "2023-10-25T09:21:36Z")
Split this topic on October 25, 2023, 9:21am UTC 4 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Stuff about the US](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/stuff-about-the-us/234450/62) ---
**Author:** ![ninman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a5b964/32.png) [@ninman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/ninman)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/158 "2023-10-25T08:55:06Z")
Yet he had no problem stopping on a red line in the middle of a highway and leaving the bus because I pissed him off. ---
**Author:** ![volv1992](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/volv1992/32/105503_2.png) [@volv1992](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/volv1992)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/159 "2023-10-25T08:55:39Z")
Why is 4 after 8? ---
**Author:** ![Pendulum](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/pendulum/32/11666_2.png) [@Pendulum](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Pendulum)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/162 "2023-10-25T12:12:08Z")
You don’t go to jail for giving people the finger in Taiwan. ---
**Author:** ![ninman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a5b964/32.png) [@ninman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/ninman)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/164 "2023-10-25T12:52:07Z")
So whats the worst case scenario? ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/165 "2023-10-25T12:57:11Z")
> [@ninman](#): > > So whats the worst case scenario? Nightmares about flipping off bus drivers and being sued? ---
**Author:** ![Southernboy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/southernboy/32/126619_2.png) [@Southernboy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Southernboy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/166 "2023-10-25T12:57:30Z")
> [@Pendulum](#): > > You don’t go to jail for giving people the finger in Taiwan. What about assaulting a bus driver? Attempting to operate the vehicle by opening the doors. OP had a fit on the bus? When the bus stopped, instead of walking away, OP got on, and continued to argue with the driver. They scuffled? dude! Get a lawyer, stay off social media. ---
**Author:** ![MalcolmReynolds](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/malcolmreynolds/32/258535_2.png) [@MalcolmReynolds](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/MalcolmReynolds)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 1:02pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/167 "2023-10-25T13:02:57Z")
> [@ninman](#): > > Also the only case I heard of about giving the finger was a motorcyclist who gave the finger to a car driver and got fined 3000 ntd. Really? Check out this old story. > [@Flipped the bird, charged under Taiwan's "public insult" law](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/flipped-the-bird-charged-under-taiwans-public-insult-law/60661): > > I’ll try to keep this brief. In less than 2 weeks I must return to a Taipei District court for the second time to face trial for “insultment.” Yes, it’s a real word still found in some dictionaries, and it is apparently used when translating this law. It is also frequently called the “public insult” law. The law is, I believe, Article 309 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, commonly referred to in English as the Criminal Code of Taiwan. I am still looking for an English translation of this law. … ---
**Author:** ![BigDave](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/bigdave/32/181371_2.png) [@BigDave](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BigDave)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/168 "2023-10-25T15:12:18Z")
How much did that guy pay in the end? She victim was asking for 100k. But what did he pay. I tried to read the thread but the quotes were messed up which made it too annoying. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590/170 "2023-10-25T23:33:56Z")
[Criminal Code of the Republic of China - Chapter - Laws & Regulations Database of The Republic of China (Taiwan)](https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawParaDeatil.aspx?pcode=C0000001&bp=44#:~:text=A%20person%20who%20publicly%20insults,more%20than%20nine%20thousand%20dollars). Sorry I must’ve read the article wrong where is says clearly Article 309 A person who publicly insults another shall be sentenced to short-term imprisonment or a fine of not more than nine thousand dollars. [Previous page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590.md?page=7) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/got-into-an-argument-with-a-bus-driver/234590.md?page=9)