[quote=“Bled”]I’ve heard dozens of times how Krashen has been proven wrong or he’s old but not really presenting any counters.[/quote]Well, there IS plenty of research/scholarship that purports to show how the limitations on grammar acquisition can be partially overcome. But the trouble is that most of it is done on a short-term basis. There’s little evidence that anything makes much of a difference to the long-term order of grammar acquisition, although some approaches to grammar learning may well be useful for speeding up the overall process. Again, Truscott’s the guy to read for reviews of the post-Krashen research.
I’m doing what I told myself not to do, though. I’d like to discuss this more but have a ton of stuff to do. Anyway, I’ll get that PDF to you, Fenlander, and anyone else who wants it.
And BigJohn, no one ever said that “grammar need not be taught”.