Great live interview with Dennis Kucinich

…the man who should be our next president, except that the corporate media will never let it happen!

PBS to Kucinich: “If You had been president after the terrorist attacks on the United States what would you have done?”

He’s the Democratic candidate who comes closest to my political beliefs. I’d LOVE to see him be president, but I fear that’s not gonna happen.

Well, part of the problem is that the corporate media stacks the deck (they toss out polls that show him as the winner, don’t invite him to debates, don’t give equal coverage, etc.) However, another sad reality is that the Republicans have held the high-ground in the culture war for a pretty damn LONG time now. Their mouthpieces have poisoned the language, so that even a word like “Liberal” - which should have rather obvious connotations: liberty, generous - now has all kinds of erroneous negative associations (commie, hippy, wimp, traitor, big government, spend-thrift, etc.) that pop up in the public’s mind every time Rush or Hannity sneers it. They’ve made “supporting our troops” seem synonymous with continuing to finance the war - even when the opposite is quite obviously true.

I could go on and on, but the point is that I’m sure that, even in the wake of 8 years under Bush, the public’s gonna need a long period of de-programming before it’s ready for a leader like Kucinich!

Dennis Kucinich is a certifiable nut-case. I’m basically from Ohio and have followed his political career from his earliest days.
He is a nut.
Anyone who thinks this guy should be president of the USA obviously knows nothing of his past.

Do some research on this guy before going on record as supporting him for the Presidency.

No matter how much you suffer from BDS and/or hatred of all thing Republican or C©onservative.

Really…he’s a nut.

I watched the video, and he doesn’t sound like a nut to me. I like his world view, and agree with it. And, like the other posters so far, I don’t think he has a snowball’s chance in hell of being elected which is too bad. I think he has integrity which so many other politician’s lack.

TC why is he a nut case? You have provided no information to support your assertions.


[quote=“Bodo”]TC why is he a nut case? You have provided no information to support your assertions.

Bodo[/quote] has been down all week.

As I posted on Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:41 pm in this thread -

Lo & behold…Kucinich suggests a Republican running mate , he is thinking this might be a good idea.

“I’m thinking about Ron Paul” as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together “to balance the energies in this country,” Kucinich said."


I’ve watched him before; he’s the only politician who didn’t go over the ‘la-la-land’ edge when asked about aggressive foreign policy tactics.

I don’t know if I agree with everything he presumably espouses, but at least he has my attention and a little bit of my respect (you can’t trust him fully; he is a politician, after all).

This is why Kucinich said he couldn’t vote for the 9/11 resolution. Okay. I don’t think that’s crazy. Just a guy who is using a no vote on something that on the face of it seems so right to vote for in order to make a statement which I happen to agree with.

[quote]Kucinich, a strong anti-war opponent who trails far in the US presidential polls, also said he won’t visit Iraq on his trip to the region because he considers the US military deployment there illegal.

“I feel the United States is engaging in an illegal occupation … I don’t want to bless that occupation with my presence,” he said in an interview in Lebanon, after visiting Syria. “I will not do it.”

Kucinich, who accused the Bush administration of policies that have destabilized the Mideast, met with Syrian President Bashar Assad during his visit to Damascus. He said Assad was receptive to his ideas of “strength through peace.”

He also praised Syria for taking in Iraqi refugees.

“What most people are not aware of is that Syria has taken in more than 1.5 million Iraqi refugees,” Kucinich said. “The Syrian government has actually shown a lot of compassion in keeping its doors open, and being a host for so many refugees.” [/quote]

Again, the guy believes the Iraq war is illegal and wrong. I do too. Not so crazy in my book.

As far as paying reparations to Iraq, that’s going a little too far. I wouldn’t support that.


Bodo -
As indicated, those are only some of his recent malarkies. You might look at some of the archives of Cleveland, Ohio and Columbus, Ohio newspapers to see his record.

Saying that, he is a 6 term elected official…which doesn’t say much for the intelligence level of his carefully gerrymandered constituency. But Cleveland is a Demo machine powerhouse;always has been.

This one didn’t play very well back home either…

“U.S. Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich, center, prays with his wife Elizabeth, right, at the grave of a civilian victim of Israeli shelling from last year’s war with Hezbollah guerrillas in the southern village of Qana, Lebanon, Wednesday, Sept. 5, 2007. Kucinich, on a Mideast visit that included a stop in Syria.”

No mention of the little guy visiting the graves of Israeli children murdered by Hezboallah guerrilla attacks and rockets fired into Israel.

If Kucinich gets re-elected next year and Republi-cons get hammered into oblivion we’ll see who has the last laugh.

In the Daily Show’s “Indecision 2004” show, Steve Colbert referred to Kucinich as a “mystic socialist gnome.”


Does Kucinich’s visit to Syria bother you at all? Do you think he was right to praise an authoritarian regime?

It bothers me the Kucinich isn’t even-handed about his criticism of violence-instigators in the world, yes. I think he should criticize Islamic zealots, Israelis and US policy-makers equally. This, unfortunately, is a quality I have yet to find in just about ANY candidate, save perhaps Ron Paul.

In the meantime, here’s a nice showing for Kucinich at the recent Democratic candidates’ debate:

ALL of Dennis Kucinich’s replies @ 11-15-07 Dem. debate

You have to give Kucinich this much: on that sham debate (sorry, I mean The Hilary Rodham Lewinsky Show) on CNN on Friday morning, he was the least worried about audience reaction to his answers (Biden was a close second). I’m not sure if that’s because Kucinich knows he’s toast and can afford to shoot from the hip, or if he’s just that much of a welcome loose cannon. Hell, after one Bill Richardson soliloquy, you could even overhear an off-camera Kucinich saying “That was a good answer.” Can’t imagine any of the Big Three syaing that.

Having said all that, I would never want this lunatic running my country. He is hell bent on impeaching Bush and Cheney. Please. The “high crimes and misdemeanors” criteria for impeachment don’t apply just because you disagree with a president’s motivations for or conduct of a war. Whatever your opinion of Bush and the Iraq situation, Bush is not the equivalent of a Milosevic or a Hitler; he’s not establishing a means for the slaughter and extermination of a people. Iraqis are not being lined up and led off to be shot or gassed. Kucinich is almost psychotically obsessed with impeachment that that alone makes him suspect.

Aside from that, his willingness (and Obama’s) to just sit down with anyone and open diplomatic dialogue is ridiculous. Again, think what you want about Bush and America, but there is ZERO similarity between the US and places like Syria, Iran, and North Korea. The American government does not string up teenagers by the neck, a la Iran, just because they’re gay or were caught holding hands in secret. We do not preach that any “Dear Leader” invented everything from toothpaste to toilet paper to the field of nuclear physics. We don’t deliberately starve our citizens just so they’ll know who’s boss. Some things in America may be hard to come by – higher education, truly adequate health care, etc. – but at the very least every American has a chance – is FREE – to get those things; it just takes sacrifice and hard work. Life isn’t easy, and not everything is a birthright. But Kucinich and other Dems want to ease the pain of the poor, heal the sick, blah blah blah. Life isn’t paradise, and when I’m faced with a Dem who wants to socialize everything while bending over for every whacko despot in the world, just for the sake of America’s image abroad, I realize why I’m a Republican. Screw image. Screw those self-hating Americans who want the world to love them. When French or British or German voters vote for their leadership, I really doubt that they say to themselves “Gee, which candidate will do the most to make the world really love our country…? That’s the one for me!” Why Americans should be expected to hold that as a criterion for choosing our leaders is beyond me.

Kucinich has no shot. And thank goodness for that.

Nice straw-man. Such reductionism is largely what’s kept the Republican Party in power in spite of what actually happens when they ARE in power! When Kim Jung-Il gets elected president of America, then I’ll use that as my standard for what constitutes a degradation of democracy in AMERICA. Otherwise, I think it’s pretty irrelevant how crappy a leader HE or any of the others you used as benchmarks for how bad Bush and his cronies are NOT.

As for socializing America, no Democrat is proposing it. Has ANY Democratic candidate suggesting making doctors government employees? Negatory. Why don’t you go preach to the Europeans how unfair life is and why they ought to vote Republican next time. They’ll stare at you quizically (sp?) as they send their kids off to free daycare, enjoy the public artworks provided by the massive art endowments in their countries and go off on their yearly six-week vacations. (The advantages of quality of life they enjoy are numerous and these are just off the top of my head.)

The case for impeachment is STRONG and enjoys wide voter support - and if you spent a little time looking into it, you’d find that out.

As for Kucinich’s chance-less-ness, well… Kucinich Takes Iowa, New Hampshire and 45 Other states in National Grassroots Democrat Poll

You can holler reductionism all you want to. I wasn’t necessarily comparing Bush to those leaders I cited; nor was I using them as benchmarks for the sake of comparison. It’s the people who hate Bush and have this sudden raging hatred for the US that try to compare Bush to the worst of the world leaders. If these people had their way, they’d line Bush up with Mugabe, Kim, Assad, Ahmadinejad (a 65-point Scrabble word, by the way…), and any other dirtbag, and you know as well as I do that that’s just ludicrous. Bush is an “America first, last, and always” guy, and if he broke a few eggs in reaction to a crisis America didn’t initiate, then so be it. If you’d rather have a president who responded to 9/11 by apologizing to the world for America’s supposed imperialist aggression, and a president who worried what the world thought before he made a move, then good for you. Too bad you didn’t get one. Cross your fingers, though, because you have a chance in a year.

As for socializing America, well gee whiz, because no Democrat is using the word ‘socialism,’ I suppose I have nothing to worry about. But look at that garbage you cited as evidence of a better life in Europe: free daycare? public artworks? six-week vacations? LOL. There isn’t a single one of those things that doesn’t feel better when you’ve earned it and paid for it yourself. Jesus… daycare has done as much to ruin the American family as unlimited welfare did. And I don’t know about you, but I see public art all over NYC and DC and every other city I’ve lived in. As for the long vacations… well, if you don’t have enough vacation, get a better job. Now, if government were to provide those things that the Europeans have, you may not call that the socialization of America, but it treads dangerously near that definition. But this is what Dems do… they claim not to be socialist, yet they seek governmental solutions to problems that aren’t even problems.

A six-week vacation…??? LOL

And I’d never suggest how a European should vote. What happens in Europe means nothing to me. But you obviously envy it, so move there. I’m sure you’d have plenty of time off to take your kids to free daycare on your way to the museum. Just don’t forget the red star lapel pin.

As I said, the examples about Europe were just off the top of my head. There is a marked difference in quality-of-life standards between there and the US, was all I was saying.

As for your whole “rugged individualism” stance, well, obviously you haven’t been paying attention to what’s been going down this past eight years. Your party has proven its own mantra - that government governs best which governs least - by governing MOST and screwing things up ROYALLY! Do you honestly believe government has gotten smaller under this administration? The ONLY spending this president hasn’t approved was that involving improvement of education and health care for underprivileged children! (I’ll be happy to pull out some charts if you don’t believe me!) The national debt is SPIRALING, and while you must be happy to see that the poor aren’t getting anything, corporate welfare has never been…errr…less well. Not to mention the fact that the President’s powers have been expanded (often quite illegally) to a point not seen since at least WWII.

What “rugged individualism” really equates to in policy-making is simply increasing the divide between the “haves” and the “been hads” by dumping public funds into corporate welfare and projects designed to make the rich richer. This is exactly what’s happened in post-Katrina Mississippi under Republican governor Haley Barbour - not to mention what’s happening in Iraq with all these private contractors.

As for “socialism”, you guys have been equating us with Mao and Che since time immemorial, so there’s no way I’m gonna change your mind. Still, I’ll say it again: I’m a New Deal Democrat, not a Communist or Socialist. I’m a fan of small business and supporter of capitalism - REAL capitalism, not the kind we get under Republican administration where the deck is totally stacked. However, the society is not simply an aglomeration of private interests; there are certain public interests that exist, and in these areas the government needs to be involved, specifically to prevent the interests of powerful individuals from trampling rights of the general public.

And as Bill Maher aptly said: whoever votes for someone who won’t give them health care over someone who will, outta have their head examined - except they won’t be able to afford to!

Government, of course, can’t give anything to anyone because it doesn’t have anything to give, not being a producer of wealth.

Government can only take from one person and give to another. The well-known limitation with that scenario though being that takees tend to take off, particularly in this age of internationalization.

In the U.S. the recent innovation in government to get around this and sundry limitations with wealth redistribution is to take wealth from future generations instead because future generations can’t protest or vote with their feet, not having any yet. The problem with that scenario though is that someone has to be willing to lend to future generations so their wealth can be taken from them now but those lenders are getting more and more wary of adding to the mountain of debt they see piling up. What if future generations just say no? It could conceivably happen.

So, vote your hearts out, pilgrims, for all the good it will really do you.

Sounds to me like Bill Maher is a freeloader… but why stop at free medical insurance?

Anyone who would vote for someone who would not give them a free college education over someone who would…

Anyone who would vote for someone who would not give them a free house and a free tract of land over someone who would…

Anyone who would vote for someone who would not give them a $25 per hour minimum wage over someone who would…

Anyone who would vote for someone who would not give them a free ride through life over someone who would…

Why do people think health care is a birthright, as if everyone is entitled to the absolute best, maximum amount of care, and they should get it from a government? Isn’t food also an essential ingredient of good health? Should the government make food available for free? And exercise… that’s essential to good health. Why not open ten thousand free government exercise gyms all over America?

The problem with handing out stuff is that it’s never enough… it’s appreciated in the short run, then over time it becomes less and less appealing unless the pot gets sweetened over and over again. You can’t please freeloaders, because they have no capacity for pleasing themselves. They constantly look to someone else to improve their lives. More, please, sir… I want more.

True, Bush is not Hitler. But there are very good reasons for impeachment and possible war crimes violations (use of cluster bombs, white phosphorous, torture etc. As Bush is C-in-C, he has to bare some responsibility, unless a general somewhere admits to authorizing these without any direction from above).

Well, maybe not NK, but the others all claim a hotline to god, as does Bush. That suggests they are a bit nutty, in itself. :slight_smile:

Especially in a rich nation, there’s absolutely no reason why adequate health-care and education shouldn’t be a birthright. In Australia for example, basic educ and health is available to all, yet most people who can afford it still pay extra for better quality, shorter waiting lists, more choice etc. Yet the poor aren’t left out - they can still see a doctor and get an education even when they can’t afford it. There’s no reason why the same can’t be applied to the US. People will still work hard because they want to get ahead. In fact, I’d say one of the biggest motivations for hard work is because your neighbors get a new big-screen TV, or new BMW. Rich or poor, no one wants to see their neighbors with better and more expensive toys. And the only way to get those things is hard work.