Happy anniversary! (Cuba's adoption of communism)

:sunglasses: Yawn yawn… so predictable.
You said the US wasn’t involved in any shady deals. I’ve mentioned a few and now you’re in a huff. It’s OK to support a murderer, then, if the alternative is to have someone whom you disagree with. Interesting but flawed idea. So dictatorships are better than communism. And if the majority of the population disagrees with you? Smoke 'em out, I guess. I am happy that Saddam is gone. I do not think fracturing a tenuous world alliance against terrorism and spending the US so far into debt that the rest of the world realizes we may never repay our debt were worth the invasion, however. It was a clumsy, undiplomatic way to resolve the issue, but then the Democrats have long been seen as more diplomatic and intelligent. As for Cuban and Nicaraguan literacy rates, all statistics show that they had risen, but there is contention as to how much. My experience in Nicaragua was with many parties, not just the Sandinistas. I see through their propaganda just as I do through Bush’s propaganda, which you seem unable to do (‘this war is about liberating the Iraqi people blah blah’ , ‘the US has always supported democracy blah blah’). Four months of thorough interviewing hundreds of people with different opinions is a good way of understanding the country, yet you feel somehow you are an expert on the world despite an apparent inability to communicate with non-English speaking locals and a professed contempt for non-Western culture. Whom would you say is more biased? As for the statistics, I will continue to look despite the fact I was working at the Biblioteca Nacional and can’t readily get believable statistics on the Internet (you, being a statistic ho, are willing to quote anybody). In the meantime, dig up ANY proof that literacy rates in Cuba did not rise after the Campana de Alfabetizacion. And, no, you can’t quote your buddy Limbaugh.

I agree.

Where did I say that?

No I have asked more evidence and I have pointed out that while we may have made mistakes it does not preclude our having a right to ever act again.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What? Did someone just buy you a copy of 911? I said that Pinochet killed 3,000 but surely the Sandinistas killed or detained a similar number and Castro would be off the scale. Given therefore that Latin American dictators seems to have a wont to murder which of the three would you choose?

My dear little friend: all communist regimes have in fact been dictatorships. You do realize this don’t you? so instead of total political control, the regime also has total economic control. That seems to be even worse to me, wouldn’t you agree?

Where has the US gone against an election in a democratic country recently? Guatemala in 1954 counts. We did try in Chile in 1970 but failed. We did not in Chile in 1973 but Pinochet succeeded. We did so in Iran in 1953 but that was not a plurality and so our actions were questionable but given that we were not alone (the Soviets were a real threat) we did not want Iran to go the way of “elections” in Czechoslavakia and Hungary and elsewhere in Eastern Europe. What do you have to say about these eastern european “elections.” Should we have allowed a similar one in Iran that would have resulted in that nation becoming part of the Soviet bloc?

First intelligent thing that you have said. Keep trying. Keep growing.

Who is not cooperating in the fight against terrorism? All the countries are still involved.

The US is spending 3.5 percent of its budget on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and terrorism in the region. Do you think that will bankrupt us? Really?

Then blame the UN and France. Nothing we would have done would have convinced them and they all had their fingers in the pie. We have proof of this and yet you somehow treat the debate in the UN security council as being what? principled? ethical?

Certainly not under Carter.

but your only source is documents from those respective governments or documents based on statistics supplied by those governments. I challenge those statistics as have others.

Your experience in Nicaragua is worthy of contempt. A month for interim in a typical propaganda process that is laughably stereotyped is all you have to go on? You don’t even know how much of a running joke you people who attended these “interim” classes picking coffee with the peasants are?

Isn’t Iraq liberated from Saddam? Bush never said we always supported democracy. In fact, he said we had a bad record of propping up the status quo but from now on things were going to change. So you think that because we supported dictators before that we should not get rid of them now? Because we did so before you are against us getting rid of dictators now? How in hell does that make sense?

Oh its “four” months now. My goodness a whole semester?!!! Who would have thought!!! Congratulations on your fine and indepth understanding of Nicaragua! haha I can communicate in other languages. I have never professed contempt for nonWestern cultures. I have professed contempt for multiculturalism. There is a difference. Try to read clearly enough to understand that.

I would say you are a buttmunch.

You mean you cannot find any that buttress your position.

I quoted reliable sources. You have not. Don’t get mad at me for being able to make my argument. Try harder to do better yourself.

why cannot I quote Limbaugh? Do you disagree with his findings? Can you prove that this Stanford professor is wrong? Obviously not so you want to shut him up and excise his findings. Ah, apparently you did learn something from the Sandinistas after all. Bully for you.

[quote]Faithful to their Marxist ideology and obsessed with the need for the state to control the means of production, the Sandinistas took a firm grip of the Nicaraguan economy. State controls and nationalization spread, aid to the private sector vanished, and incentives for foreign investment disappeared. [b]In other words, another 20th century experiment with socialism destroyed a nation