Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince (**SPOILER THREAD)

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Just in case you didn’t read the top or didn’t catch on that the discussion of the book just might talk about things revealed in the book…here is your final warning…

WARNING!!! SPOILERS!!! IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS BOOK, DO NOT GO ANY FURTHER!!!

That being said, this book was a little bit of a let-down after the last book. How so? Rowling, in an effort to add more personality (?) to her characters who we have read about for almost ten years, she has gotten away from the good pacing that made her other books so interesting. It’s not nearly as bad, in my opinion, as HP and the Chamber of Secrets, but it’s not as nearly as good as say, The Goblet of Fire.

SPOILERS BEGIN HERE

Okay, so now the only person who has always been suspectful of Snape, Harry has been proven right in this book by the ending. It makes you wonder, when looking back in the book how many times Snape acted in the interests of the Dark Lord. For instance, when he stopped Sirius and let Pettigrew go. Was that simply a matter of arrogance, error, and vegeance against a former tormentor or did he knowingly allow Pettigrew return to Voldemort? I don’t have my books handy, but can you think of other times, other than the ones he mentioned to Narcissa, where he was doing the bidding of Voldemort? I wonder if Harry (or someone else in the Order) will kill Snape. I was a little skeptical of him being truly converted and there were just too many times that Harry’s suspicion seemed well-founded, but after this book, knowing that he had heard the prophecy, I doubt that he had any intentions of fighting the good battle. The change in Malfoy, however, makes me wonder what Rowling has in store for him in the last book. We see him weeping because he cannot kill Dumbledore and when finally faced with the opportunity, he decides to not do it as he is not truly a murderer and therefore will not be cut out to remain a Death Eater. Does that mean he has been taken off to his death for failing to finish the job? Will he be let go and return to Hogwarts to finish his schooling?
I figured once Dumbledore began revealing everything he knew about Voldemort…in other words, passing on his knowledge onto his prodigy…that he was setting himself up for death. He alludes to Snape’s betrayal when he says that as a great mind his mistakes tend to be much greater than those of average men. I’d say getting yourself killed by someone whose evil past that, despite suspicion that he hadn’t given up his allegiance, you ignored would be one hell of a mistake to make. But then, I think losing all of his mentors and immediate family to Voldemort will only make him that much more fierce in his quest to destroy Voldemort once and for all.

Onto teenage hormones…The Ron and Hermione thing got boring after a while. Dean and Ginny sucking face also got old and Harry’s reaction although when they finally kissed, I couldn’t help but cheer for them. I think Cho’s name gets mentioned about three times in the whole book. Rowling has apparently dropped her from the storyline, perhaps to conserve space…she certainly didn’t do it to keep away from the plot of the kids mundane (non-existent) relationships which includes the nauseating vision of Malfoy with his head in Pansy Parkinson’s lap :sick:.

I can wait for the next book. I secretly hope that someone in the triumvirate dies…preferrably Potter. While I can forgive him for dropping out of school to chase down the remaining Horcruxes, it doesn’t leave much of a future for him should he survive so why not just kill him off?

And I pointed this out to mythrandore…did anyone else pick up the easter egg/joke on page 454? I won’t spoil it too much, but I will hint that it helps if you are familiar with the movies.

I checked page 454 and cant find the joke!
(wonder if the three different versions i saw in the shops are exactly the same…)
it was Hagrid and Sluggy talking about spider eggs…

Tell me!

Also, do you think it’s possible Harry is himself one of the horcruxes?

And isn’t it still possible that Snape isn’t working for Voldemort? Like Dumbledore told him to do that in that situation?

Very excellent and clever point using Harry as a Horcrux…it would make a great excuse for Harry to die in the 7th book, which I think Rowling should do to him to make Harry a true hero sacrificing his life. He’s already sacrificing his love for Ginny because he doesn’t want to see her being used against him again. But I don’t think he could touch Harry when he killed Lily because of the protection that was put on him by her love. Then again, in the Goblet of Fire, he could have very well put a Horcrux in him by taking his blood.

By the way, the fake Horcrux was planted by either Borgin or Burkes, the founders of the Dark Arts artifacts shop in Knock Turn Alley. Whoever was working with Riddle and knew of how he killed to gain his own personal treasure trove, I forget which one if Burkes or Borgin.

I really do think Snape was on the Dark Side this whole time. remember, he’s a talented Occlumens so he could have easily have hidden his mind from Dumbledore, but probably not so from Voldemort so if Voldemort believes he’s come back and even sent Pettigrew to him, then he must believe that Snape is on his team.

For a hint about the Easter Egg, highlight the hidden text below…

Think about the kid actors while “listening” to Sluggy talk

For a very big hint about the Easter Egg, highlight below here…

The actor who plays Ron Weasley is named Rupert Grint

I am positive that Rowling put it in there on purpose. It made me laugh aloud when I saw the line and made the connection.

I’m thinking of how Snape sabotaged Harry’s Occlumency lessons…but then I’ve been reading and I’m really coming around, 180-degrees like on Snape. That Dumbledore pleaded for Snape to kill him. That all the scolding Snape gave Harry for not saying his spells in his mind was last-minute coaching from Snape before he would have to cut off all contact with him and one of the reasons he was hard on Harry was not just because of his past with James Potter, but also because, as an expert on the Dark Arts, he knew what Harry would be up against and wanted to push him.

I do have to wonder what inspired Snape’s avada kedavra…as Bellatrix Lestrange said to Harry when he tried to do the Cruciatus spell on her, he really had to want to see her in pain before it could work on him. Is Snape such a good Occclumens that he can block even Lord Voldemort from his mind and true intentions? Is Snape the one Voldemort referred to when he said that one of his followers betrayed him, but would die anyway (or was that in reference to Karkaroff who was found dead shortly thereafter)?

And what’s going to happen to the Malfoys, particularly Draco?

Okay, now I can’t wait for the 7th book to come out.

Yeah I think there’s a lot of possibilities for Snape.
(just had a thought - if he can read minds he could have read DDs mind and saw DD wanted to die)

re - Karkakoff - yes that was Karkakoff. Snape was ‘one who has left me for ever i think’

I think you are right about the joke, though I only know the name of the Harry Potter actor - the other kids are nobodies!

What’s interesting for me at the moment is RAB - Im not sure youre right about that at all. That character is almost certainly the one who explains things to Harry in book 7. Either him or Snape…

There has to be a wiser person patiently explaining things to Harry (and the reader) - otherwise how can Harry find the other horcruxes and solve problems and learn how to kill people?
It COULD be the shop guy but seems a bit drab for what must be a very important character

Draco will be the Gollum of HP7

Had some more brainwaves, building on my Harry-Horcrux theory.

Check this out - Harry is a HX (horcrux) and DD knew that. He knew the only way to find out the location of the other HXS was to get Snape in deeper than ever, even at the cost of his own life. Snape had to kill DD to find the other HXS! Once the others are destroyed, in a final battle, Harry kills himself and VDM at the same time.

On the other hand, I dont think Harry will die. He had 11 miserable years with the Dursleys, and 7 years of fighting VDM - surely he deserves to fly Seeker for the England national team, marry Ginny and become Headmaster?

Or the first long-term DADA teacher since Voldemort was turned down. The more I read into it, the more I think Snape will be the one to tell Harry everything about his mother…maybe not about his father, but definitely about his mother. Some people are proposing that RAB is Regulus Black, but I don’t know about that. There certainly are a lot of clues in HP and the Order of the Phoenix that allude to Regulus trying to get out of the Death Eaters and being killed because of that. He would have had very close ties to Voldemort…maybe close enough to steal the locket Horcrux and hide it in the Black house?

I think Voldemort may spare Draco because even though he failed to kill Dumbledore, he managed to get the Death Eaters to invade the school…I think he worked out how to let them in because he knew he wouldn’t be able to do it himself.

I agree now with Dumbledore calling Snape in, not to save him as a talented potions master, but as a skilled legimens to read his mind and know that he had to kill him. And the battle between Snape and Hary out on the grounds was definitely finally coaching. All year he had chided Harry for not mastering silent spells, but felt it was important for him to learn. I think it’s similar to the Occlumency lessons…he’s using his vast knowledge of the Dark Arts to teach Harry how to both defend and fight Voldemort and is frustrated that their only hope, Harry, isn’t getting it as fast as he needs to.

Someone pointed out that when Harry calls Snape a coward, it really hits him hard with all that he might be doing to protect the Order and fight Voldemort from within. He’s doing Occlumency 24/7 because even the slightest slip of what’s really going on in his mind would lead to his instant death at the hands (or command) of Voldemort…he has to kill Dumbledore in order to protect what he knows (or I think that’s why he had to die before being used or tortured for his knowledge)…he’s being a spy against Voldemort by being his right-hand man yet here goes this kid whose supposed to save them all, doesn’t master the skills he needs to fight Voldemort, son of the man who bullied Snape and stole the girl of his dreams…and the little bastard calls him a coward. I think the fact that Snape didn’t do at least a Cruciatus spell on Harry for saying that despite the obvious rage he shows for those words is proof positive that he’s protecting Harry. Perhaps by the fact that he picks on Harry so much is one way to gain favor in Voldemort’s eyes so he could get closer to him…

I believe that there are 2 possibilities.

The first being that Snape simlpy is a traitor and the reason that he never killed Harry was because Harry was a Horcrux and Voldemort wanted Harry to extract the Horcrux and then kill Harry. That’s possibly why Dumbledore froze Harry while he was under the invisibility cloak i.e. so he couldn’t take Harry to Dumbledore. Remember that the last chance that Snape had a chance to kidnap Harry would have been in the third book, but Voldemort hadn’t been resurrected at that time, so Snape couldn’t blow his cover.

The second, as outlined above and elsewhere on the web is that Snape and Dumbledore were working together. Dumbledore is not the type to beg for his life. It seems to me to be better for Dumbledore to arrange to sacrifice himself to get Snape closer to Voldemort. We knew that in the book, Rowling wrote that Snape and Dumbledore argued about something that Snape couldn’t go through with. This way Snape could figure out where to find the other Horcruxes are and then prepare Harry to battle Voldemort and fulfil the prophecy.

I also agree that maybe Harry is a Horcrux, and that he will have to give his life to kill Voldemort for good. But, this begs the quetion of why Voldemort cast the killing curse on Harry.

Maybe Voldemort didn’t do that. It’s possible that he in fact put his final Horcrux in Harry after learning that Harry was prophecized to kill him. Voldemort, in doing this could have believed that he was protecting himself from the prophecy, which said that Harry would be the one to kill him, if at all.

But, if this is true why did Voldemort fight Harry at the end of Goblet of Fire? Maybe he believed that all the other Horcruxes were safe and that killing who was potentially his greatest opponent was a sacrifice he was willing to make.

There are a lot of questions raised here, but one argument I do like is that RAB is Regulus Black. This raises the possibility that Regulus was killed for betraying Voldemort and stealing a Horcrux. Perhaps Sirius had a Horcrux given by Regulus and may in fact return if Harry ventures into the mirror to retrieve it (although how he would get back out again is another questions altogether).

What do you think (question does not apply to Potter haters)?

Ok

I think RAB is regulus Black- rereading through all the boks you have never been shown a picture of him dead anywhere. Also i tihnk JK Rowling would like to provide a family person for harry at the end. I agree that Snape is actually still on the good side, and that Dumbeldore asked him to do it so that he could die by his hand rather than by a death eater

I don’t think Harry is Horcrux, but i do think we will be led to believe that in the last book as Harry begins to doubt himself

coming out as a secret obsessive now! sigh!

Dumbledore is not dead and Snape is not working for Vodermort.

DD and Snape staged the scene at the end in order to:
Allow DD to go undercover.
Help Snape get deeper into Voldermort

I still think Harry’s going to die in the end. It would be a fitting ending…but of course, this being a book aimed at children, it’s hard to believe that will happen. I can already hear the shrieks of the little girls crying if that were to happen, kinda like my 19-year-old roommate who burst into tears because her favorite TV character got killed off. :unamused:

Anyway, I think maybe extracted his Horcrux from Harry when he took blood from him in GoF or perhaps in the fight in OotP. And that’s why Harry can’t feel Voldemort’s emotions anymore. I think that Harry wasn’t meant to be a Horcrux, but became one when Voldemort’s aveda kedavra backfired on him after he had killed Lily. I wonder if Harry is still a parseltongue now that he’s lost Voldemort’s power. Maybe that’s also why he was so aggressive and angry in the fifth book and has now mellowed out…because he no longer has Voldemort’s evil Horcrux in him. Voldemort didn’t really become strong until that book. C’est interessant, n’est-ce pas?

I think that the Harry/Ginny parallel to James/Lily is also interesting. Both Harry and his father were troublemakers who didn’t get the highest marks in school, but were clever anyways. Ginny and Lily were there to make sure their men didn’t get into too much trouble and were prefects and (most likely will be) Head Girls. Ginny, as Lily, have chided their men for their arrogance and for making fun of others (such as Luna Lovegood and Severus Snape). It might be nice to see them get married and grow old together, something the Potters never got to do.

I don’t think Rowling will allow Snape to be evil in the end now, although I do like the idea of something that is so magical, taking away from the mundane, depressing aspects of life (like an orphaned child with no future living with abusive, neglectful relatives after his parents were murdered turning out to be a famous wizard who becomes popular in school…off and on).

Personally, I believe the best, most pessimistic ending would be after Harry has killed Voldemort and gone to marry Ginny, being woken up by his uncle pounding on his door and discovering that it’s the day after his 11th birthday and it was all just a dream. That his parents were in fact just killed in a car accident, that there is no Hogwarts, and that he’s going off to that one horrible school in a few weeks.

But that’s just me. :wink:

Harry could understand what Voldemort’s uncle and grandfather were saying when he went through the pensieve with Dumbledore.

I believe Snape will give some form of dying monologue that will exhonorate him in the end.

I’m a little curious as to what Aunt Petunia knows - there are a few vague assertions to her all through the books about her…

Well if you’re reading this thread, then you’ve probably already read the book.
But I’ll post this anyway.

I just finished reading HP and the Half-Blood Prince, and now it’s up for sale.
Yeah, I know I could(should?) put it in Forumosafieds, but I’ll throw it up here first.

Stated 1st Brit Ed., w/dust jacket.

Cost 935nt at Eslite(still tagged), selling for 500nt.
Lemmie know if you want it.

There is a for sale forum, if you weren’t aware beforehand. Can’t imagine effectively capturing the attention of an audience for your ad in this thread unless they wanted to buy the book after learning about the spoilers. :unamused:

Brilliant, thanks, which is exactly why I posted this before I posted the ad.

[quote]Well if you’re reading this thread, then you’ve probably already read the book.
But I’ll post this anyway.[/quote]

You have a moot point anyways, do you think people don’t watch a game, read a book, or see a movie just because they already know the ending?

Just finished books 5 and 6.

Seems to me that Harry needs people to die to inspire him to do more and go after VDM more energetically.

Having DD die at the end of Book 6, and yes, I think he’s really dead, will do Harry just fine, and it will negate the need to kill off Ron or Hermione or Ginny.

Snape is evil; always has been. Harry knew it and so did DD. DD trusted Snape 100%…to do what he knew he would, be evil, betray DD and not kill Harry. DD is never THAT wrong.

RAB…I think it’s one of the Blacks too. Gives Harry a reason to go back to the Black’s house and learn more about Mom and Dad and Sirius, and to see Kreatchur (BEST new character, but ignored in book 6) and Mrs Black.

Draco will be the wildcard. Harry will let him know that when he kills VDM, Draco will be out of trouble…there has yet to be a bad guy turned good in this series…he’s the one.

I’m curious to see who ends up teaching Harry all the super spells he’ll need to beat VDM…get Snape’s spellbook back? Bill the halfwerewolf? Lupin? Mr Weasley giving him a key to al the REALLY cool stuff at the MOM? I don’t want Harry to kill VDM with a levitating spell. That would suckiosus.

Prediction: Harry won’t die in book 7. But we’ll get a quick rundown of all the swell things he did before he became headmaster of Hogwarts himself, with Draco as his right hand man.

No no and no.
I gotta disagree here.
Kreatcher reminded me of Jar Jar friggin’ Binks and drove me nuts every time I had to read his dialogue or picture him punishing himself.
I was very glad they pushed him to the side of Forgotten Literary Characters in the latest book.

No no and no.
I gotta disagree here.
Kreatcher reminded me of Jar Jar friggin’ Binks and drove me nuts every time I had to read his dialogue or picture him punishing himself.
I was very glad they pushed him to the side of Forgotten Literary Characters in the latest book.[/quote]

Hmm, kreatchure didn’t punish himself…Dobby did.

D’oh! :homer:
Right, he was that other elf. :blush:

[quote=“Josefus”]D’oh! :homer:
Right, he was that other elf. :blush:[/quote]

You know they all look alike.

And I disagree. I think Malfoy will become a little like Snape. He’ll be bad turned kinda good with a grudge held against Harry as Snape had for James for saving his skin.

I love all the little things Rowling put into this book like why none of the DADA teachers last for more than a year (and we can assume the same will be true for the Half-Blood Prince…oops, did I give something away? :wink: ) or how Snape wasn’t the Potions teacher because if he had been, he would have immediately known that Harry was using his old book.