Have to join the German miltary

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[quote=“CoffeAnnan”]
Wenn ich bis Ende September kein Jahrespraktikumsplatz ( Voraussetzung der Hoschschule Bremen) finde, dann werde ich zum Wehrdienst in Niedersachsen als Panzerfahrer eingezogen.[/quote]

means: if he does not find practioner work here in Taipei, the German millitary will force him to drive around in a tank.

Life really sucks sometimes, either smelling motorcycle pollution in Taipei or German tank pollution in Bremen :wink:

Jeeeez, someone help this guy, olive green color really does not fit anyone. They did not want ME at the German millitary, but not for physical reasons :loco:

[quote=“bob_honest”][quote=“CoffeAnnan”]
Wenn ich bis Ende September kein Jahrespraktikumsplatz ( Voraussetzung der Hoschschule Bremen) finde, dann werde ich zum Wehrdienst in Niedersachsen als Panzerfahrer eingezogen.[/quote]

means: if he does not find practioner work here in Taipei, the German millitary will force him to drive around in a tank.

Life really sucks sometimes, either smelling motorcycle pollution in Taipei or German tank pollution in Bremen :wink:

Jeeeez, someone help this guy, olive green color really does not fit anyone. They did not want ME at the German millitary, but not for physical reasons :loco:[/quote]

I already tried almost everything…I have the following problems:

1.Health condition one T1, which means I’m an absolute healthy boy.

2.Black belt in Ju-Jutsu, Taekwondo and Modern Arnis, which makes me to a worthy fighter for them.

3.I’m a full trained first-aid medic by the Johanniter Stiftung.

Germany is still a member of the NATO. So it need to full up its special forces with healthy guys. My German spelling is terrible, but that is no excuse to train in this tank platoon.

If I would find a internship would be nice, particular if it is far away from Germany, but I applied at 271 companies,organizations and universities without succes, my plan is to do something illegal.

On December 8th, in Brussel the EU defensive ministers will discuss to lift or not to lift sanctions of massiv destruction against China. If I will demonstrate in my soldier uniform, they take me under arrest and put me away from any government institution.

I guess…JAIL…,but still better than serving German government.

In particular when you are sitting in a tank. :smiley:

When I was 18 and the German army wanted to snatch me (so its 20 years ago), I spend my time thinking of an excuse, which finally worked :laughing: .
We always said: "the function of the German millitary is to stop the enemy (Russians those good old days) by making them laugh until real millitary arrives.
But of course today we are all well-trained Mojito and Daiquiry combat fighters, no joke :smiley:

I think they simply want to discipline me.

I have many notices in the police records.

  1. for throwing a letter on foreign minister Fischer during the SARS crisis ( meet his chest).

  2. For demonstrating in front of the chancellor building during the visit of Jiang Zemin.

3.For demonstrating with Tibet followers in front of the Chinese embassy in Den Haag.

This year you can add demonstration in front of the EU parliament in Brussels on December 8th.

And again they will put me in jail…

What counts as an internship?

Hm, I’m not exactly an expert. But if you plan on immigrating to Taiwan (which I gather from your website), aren’t you supposed to do military service in Taiwan? For 2 years (as opposed to the what is it by now? 8 months? in Germany)? and probably less of a chance to do any kind of alternative civil service?

To do military-service in Taiwan would be fine to me, because I’m willing to defend Taiwan against any threat including the horrible earth-quakes.

For Germany I even would move a finger.

I got my German passport with 18. I’m born in Bremen sucky town, but that doesn’t count in Germany at all, because my parents aren’t Germans of pure blood.

My father is born in Lithuanian, but had a mother who is from Wales. So a British Doctor major mercy to let his family stay in British boot camp in Niedersachsen after they had to escape of the Soviets.

So I had to use a Lithuanian passport for 18 years. I cannot speak the language well, but who cares. 18 years been treated as an illegal, car thief,criminal…can you imagine what it means to be treated as an Eastern-European in Western Europe, particular in a country which so problems standing so close at the borders to Poland.

Besides that I even wouldn’t move a finger for Germany or the EU, as a soldier you have to swear to the German constitution. B U T Germany has no constitution :astonished: Germany has a Basic law dictated by the allied forces. I don’t swear to something I don’t believe in. :loco:

After getting a German passport I still don’t have full rights like religion freedom. Last time a civil servant asked me “What confirmation do you have?” I said:“I’m a Christian.” “…yaya…what church?”…" I believe the holy bible and I’m a member of a Jesus community and again I’m a simply a Christian…"…“so you are in a sect?..you know some are illegal!”

and so on…at the end he wrote" sect member has to be proof…" My preacher said the same to him, but he is an American and foreigners may have full religion freedom.

There are many other reasons I deny to defend Germany…Right now I’m looking for an apprenticeship place. My job as financial manager and accounting is not accepted by the German government , but by the EU.

And again…German government kicked me out of way of life I want to live.

It is hard to find a job in a German company, because of my mark in German. English,Japanese,Math marks don’t count.
Next week I will have an interview at a HongKongnese company as an international container transport and logistics service provider (Schifffahrtskaufmann).
Study at university is not possible for me. All universities rejected me after they saw my marks ( 6points) in German.

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Well, it looks like “they” are out there to get poor Coffe…

Let’s debunk some of that stuff:

1. Every (German) citizen has the right to refuse to serve in the military (“conscientious objector”; Art. 12 of the Basic Law). As Iris already mentioned, instead he would have to do (alternative) civil service. A “first-aid medic” would easily find a place to do his civil service (if he doesn’t, the government will find one for him).

2. Nobody gets drafted because of having many “police records”.

3. German soldiers don’t have to swear an oath to the German Constitution / Basic Law. What they actually say is:

Ich gelobe, der Bundesrepublik Deutschland treu zu dienen und das Recht und die Freiheit des deutschen Volkes tapfer zu verteidigen.

which roghly translates to

“I pledge to faithfully serve the Federal Republic of Germany, and to bravely defend the rights and the liberty of the German people.”

That’s it, no Grundgesetz in there. Of course, it is implicitly included, but nobody says something like “I swear to defend the German constitution” (well, maybe they do at the “Office for the Protection of the Constitution”/Verfassungsschutz, but that’s OT).

4. Germany’s Basic Law was not dictated by the allies. It was worked out by a parliamentary council and ratified by all [i]L

Man, if we could get some aliens, Bruce Willis, some naked chicks, and Santa Claus mixed in with this story we would have a Hollywood blockbuster. I’m telling you…big, big hit.

[quote=“hypermegaglobal”]Well, it looks like “they” are out there to get poor Coffe…

Let’s debunk some of that stuff:

That’s right , but you have just a time limit before they recurting you. According to the parlament, with an age of 23 you don’t need to join military service. I’m 24 and they got me unprepared. They said the law is unvalid to me.

True,too, but if your military adviser says " No, I won’t help. I can read in your file that you often disagreed with the German foreign policy. The time in the army will discilpine you…bye!"

[quote]b]3.[/b] German soldiers don’t have to swear an oath to the German Constitution / Basic Law. What they actually say is:

Ich gelobe, der Bundesrepublik Deutschland treu zu dienen und das Recht und die Freiheit des deutschen Volkes tapfer zu verteidigen.

which roghly translates to

“I pledge to faithfully serve the Federal Republic of Germany, and to bravely defend the rights and the liberty of the German people.”[/quote]
That’s it, no Grundgesetz in there. Of course, it is implicitly included, but nobody says something like “I swear to defend the German constitution” (well, maybe they do at the “Office for the Protection of the Constitution”/Verfassungsschutz, but that’s OT).[/quote]

Bad enough…could also mean defending German rights in Afghanistan,Kosovo,Africa and Georgia.

[quote]4. Germany’s Basic Law was not dictated by the allies. It was worked out by a parliamentary council and ratified by all [i]L

CoffeAnnan, my reply was meant to be a bit humorous while at the same showing that not everything in Germany is as bad as it sounded from your posts. It wasn’t meant to offend you.

That said, I’m convinced the current German system of military and civil service is extremely unfair and probably in violation of the basic law. However, there are many resources (online and offline) you can use to avoid being drafted, if that’s what you want. Depending on your situation, it may also be a good idea to contact a lawyer specialized on this subject.

What you should not do is to simply claim that the system is unfair and therefore you can ignore its rules and decisions (I’m not saying you’re doing this, but I have the impression you’re going into this direction). I did my military service with the German MP ([i]Feldj

AFAIK you can apply not to be drafted but your request might be rejected and you need to serve. Doesn’t happen often though, i.e. chances of avoiding national service are pretty good.
However civil service runs for, what now?, 10 years. Not a true alternative for everyone.

Me thinks however Coffe with the missing “e” should do his service in a German tank.
But run over a few parked cars and they might throw you out … :smiley:

Rgds,
Hauptgefreiter Rascal

AFAIK you can apply not to be drafted but your request might be rejected and you need to serve. Doesn’t happen often though, i.e. chances of avoiding national service are pretty good.
However civil service runs for, what now?, 10 years. Not a true alternative for everyone.[/quote]

What I meant by civil service is Zivildienst which takes away “only” 10 months of your live, AFAIK. Then there’s the Zivil- und Katastrophenschutz which would require you to periodically appear for training/work over a period of now 6 years.

[quote=“Rascal”]Me thinks however Coffe with the missing “e” should do his service in a German tank.
But run over a few parked cars and they might throw you out … :smiley:

Rgds,
Hauptgefreiter Rascal[/quote]

Actually, from what I read in the thread about working for small Taiwanese companies I believe a few months in the army could be a good preparation for working in Taiwan: A stupid “Boss” yelling at you and forcing you to do moronic tasks, this won’t scare you anymore! :laughing:

Then leave…sorry I couldn’t resist… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
But seriously what’s the big deal with trying to avoid the military? When I was stationed in Germany, all the German soldiers looked like they were having a lot more fun.

I’m sorry,too. Please call me “Manuel”. That’s my real name. I lost my mind for a moment. I think I shouldn’t spend so much time in this forum.I was looking for people who like Taiwan just like me, but now I think most people like “Sandman” are just looking for a confrontation. If the people always offend Taiwan it makes me very angry. Most of friends are living there. I daily stay in contact with Taiwan.If people just showing Taiwan is as bad as it sounded from their posts.

I found another solution. Chinese way…corruption. I gave Mr.Beck my adviser 500,-EURO and bought me free.

Actually I personal have so many problems in Germany, because I support people who have a very different opinion to the government. For example I took part at a “pro independence and freedom party for Kurdistan” at the market place this April. Everything was fine, we had a legal license and it was very peaceful. Later we went home the police came and searched their homes for pro terrorism stuff. The senator himself gave the order. The local newspaper wrote a big article about it, but no one takes notice of it.
I’m asking myself when they come to me. Well…Taiwan is not an Islamic country.

Europe is paradox. My personal experience with Germany was always very negative and I feel a high solidarity to the foreigners who live here. Now after having German nationality I’m suppose to be against them, but actually after 7 long term visits to Taiwan, even my friends say, I’m like a Taiwanese. I speak with a strong accent. I just watch Korean,Japanese,Taiwanese and British satellite program, listen live stream radio, read only on line news from tw.yahoo.com and the others. I was never integrated to Germany or Europe.
People are even nicer to me if they think I’m Asian.No one here considers me as a German. That has advantages if you want to build friendships with foreigners.

Sure, and sorry for my behavior!

He Blair,Bush…the BBBs need an ass kick :notworthy:

Then leave…sorry I couldn’t resist… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
But seriously what’s the big deal with trying to avoid the military? When I was stationed in Germany, all the German soldiers looked like they were having a lot more fun.[/quote]

The case is just that I got baptised two weeks ago. 6 years ago military would be something good, but now I lost faith in the good sense of armed forces who want to defend their country on the other side of the globe. I changed my mind.

[quote]
I found another solution. […][/quote]

IMHO, it’s a very bad idea to post things like this on the internet (unless you want to make it public and happen to have proof of this ‘transaction’ which would hold up in a court of law).

Please be aware that - sooner or late - Google will index this thread and then somebody typing in things like a) your (real) name or b) Mr. B’s name + some of the German words related to military service which were posted here might easily find your statement.

What I still don’t get is why you chose to get a German passport at the age of 18 even though you don’t like Germany and don’t feel German (despite being born there and growing up there). And why you don’t leave like all of us Germans posting here did (ok, you probably have to sort out the military service thing first - but neither Arbeitsamt nor tax authorities kept any of us from leaving).