Hehe! Would you hire

Well, I wouldn’t use the word ‘hire’ . . .

The person chosen to sub, do they actually have the correct visa status and education to take on this kind of work? More importantly, is that even a concern for your “high school, not kindy, a real school”? The person in question would have to be a licensed teacher on an open work permit for everything to be on the up and up from the school’s side, if I understand correctly.

Oh, never mind: Yes, this is really how things work. :laughing:[/quote]

Amazingly, yes. The person in question is a licensed teacher with a JFRV.

I guess, as Sandman observed, I live in a different world from the people who actually read the ads. So, next time around, where would be a good place to find people whose expectations are higher than clowning around for 550/hr?

I think Toasty nailed it.

The next time around? Make your expectations clear.

Things are tight for a lot of people, so you’ll likely find someone.

I occasionally fill in here or there, more to do someone a favour, make a contact, or check out a location. I don’t attach a CV when making first contact, only when making a serious pitch for a position. If asked, sure, I’ve got a CV on file. But why would I be that serious about temp position, unlikely to lead to nothing further, offered by some guy online with a goofy gmail address? (Or am I wrong about that last bit? I seem to recall a throwaway “Ihateteaching” gmail tag, which would do very little to signal seriousness or elevated expectations.)

Economists keep saying that behaviour is influenced by incentives, and a sub gig here typically isn’t exactly rich in incentives. Not expecting much out of such a position, shouldn’t expect to see much to go into securing it.

[quote=“Jaboney”]

Economists keep saying that behaviour is influenced by incentives, and a sub gig here typically isn’t exactly rich in incentives. Not expecting much out of such a position, shouldn’t expect to see much to go into securing it.[/quote]+1

Also, I would not personally hire someone whose email addy reads “Ihateteaching.” :hand: Well OK, maybe I would if it were for a dishwashing job. I don’t actually hire teachers but I have enrolled the boy in several schools. I’m not sure which is worse. A kindy teacher who works for 550/hr. or a high school teacher paid 1000nt per hour who hates teaching…

I wish I could get a sub to do my job sometimes…

Loretta: I completely sympathise with your plight, but dude, which Taiwan in an alternate reality have you been living in all these years? A professional sub here is one who brings his own slippers and sticky balls and doesn’t turn up hungover. Seriously, the fact that the person who contacted you could actually write a decent English sentence probably meant you’d found creme de la creme in this place.

[quote=“GuyInTaiwan”]Loretta: the person who contacted you could actually write a decent English sentence [/quote] :astonished:

Well, to be honest, it’s not horrible. But it’s not exactly ROCKING, if you know what I mean.

If someone advertised a sub job that I may consider, I’d at least make the effort to contrive a reply that didn’t make it look like I was doing them a favour. Just saying.

[quote=“jimipresley”][quote=“GuyInTaiwan”]Loretta: the person who contacted you could actually write a decent English sentence [/quote] :astonished:

Well, to be honest, it’s not horrible. But it’s not exactly ROCKING, if you know what I mean.[/quote]

Yeah sure, it looks like it was written by Keanu Reeves, but it’s okay. It’s better than some of the recent offerings at this site.

[quote]So, next time around, where would be a good place to find people whose expectations are higher than clowning around for 550/hr?[/quote] I would suggest looking outside of Taiwan for somebody over thirty :s .

…and the remainder are midde-aged guys going to Thailand to deliver the money to their bar girl girlfriends whom they are convinced are their life partners. I see. That’s so much better.

LMAO. Demanding more? For what exactly? Why? I truly hope the market here never becomes so saturated that it becomes necessary to send a CV and cover letter to some idjut taking a holiday just so you can get a week’s work. Formal applications are for formal jobs. A CV for a sub gig is taking the piss.

The person chosen to sub, do they actually have the correct visa status and education to take on this kind of work? More importantly, is that even a concern for your “high school, not kindy, a real school”? The person in question would have to be a licensed teacher on an open work permit for everything to be on the up and up from the school’s side, if I understand correctly.

Oh, never mind: Yes, this is really how things work. :laughing:[/quote]

Amazingly, yes. The person in question is a licensed teacher with a JFRV.

I guess, as Sandman observed, I live in a different world from the people who actually read the ads. So, next time around, where would be a good place to find people whose expectations are higher than clowning around for 550/hr?[/quote]

I still don’t get it, comrade. He’s a clown because he didn’t send you his CV for a sub job?

Isn’t that a bit harsh? Yes, it is. But have fun slagging him because…you like to slag people. OK, right.

Hail to your greatness, oh gestalt generalizing judgenik.

C’mon. There’s nothing wrong with asking somebody to provide as much info as possible - whether it’s for a temp job or a full-on position.

If you are applying for a subbing position, at least you could let the person know some info so that he could know you are legit. Otherwise, you are just wasting time.

[quote=“ThreadKiller”]C’mon. There’s nothing wrong with asking somebody to provide as much info as possible - whether it’s for a temp job or a full-on position.

If you are applying for a subbing position, at least you could let the person know some info so that he could know you are legit. Otherwise, you are just wasting time.[/quote]

LMAO. You can’t be serious. A sub position? Are we on the same planet, let alone the same island? Whatever. Write me a 10-page essay and I might send you my used mouthwash. Geez.

[quote=“ThreadKiller”]C’mon. There’s nothing wrong with asking somebody to provide as much info as possible - whether it’s for a temp job or a full-on position.

If you are applying for a subbing position, at least you could let the person know some info so that he could know you are legit. Otherwise, you are just wasting time.[/quote]

Agreed. It’s a reasonable idea to have in your head.

But is it reasonable to start a “OMG! What is the world comng to?” thread?

No, not IMO.

Yeah, unless you specify, I wouldn’t even think to include a CV for someone asking for a sub, it’s as much a favor to the person placing the ad as it is the person getting the work, imo. I’d probably say a little more and mention my experience if replying, but then again anyone could simply type that…the guy responding probably just thought a CV was over the top to sub and that you could judge him better actually talking to him instead of him writing something. Also (as mentioned), he doesn’t know who he’s dealing with either, and might not want to get jerked around via email.

I’d think if I were hiring a teacher here for a typical teaching position, I could glean more, and be more comfortable from having a short conversation with them (being able to judge their personality and attitude) than I would just looking at a CV. If the particular job you need a sub for strictly requires a level of background/experience significantly higher than most teaching positions here (and a CV), you need to specify that in your ad. Of course you may not have much luck with those standards.

This is all a bit funny because, having a few free days before CNY I decided recently that a bit of extra cash before the holidays wouldn’t be a bad thing and answered a sub ad on one of the boards. Two days work, ten hours, nobody else had expressed interest; pretty straightforward. Surprisingly, the advertiser pm’d me back asking for a CV. I’ve been working in the same place for more than eight years and, contrary to most people as Loretta seems to think, do not have a CV lying around somewhere on my hard drive.

Anyway, I pm back giving some detail about myself and even offering to stop by and meet whoever had to be met. No, a CV was necessary. So, I went to the trouble of putting something together, detailing what I have been doing, relevant experience, recent photo and sent it off. A couple days later I get a pm back saying that the advertiser was sorry but no longer needed a sub; his buddy has offered to take the times for him…So, we see that it is not only the people who answer the adds, but also the one placing it, that are less than assiduous about the process, lol.

My apologies if someone has already suggested this: Loretta, I wonder if it would be possible for you and some other teachers who know and trust each other to get together and get a kind of “sub group” going for situations like this one.

But Loretta didn’t start an “OMG! What is the world coming to?” thread. He simply posted about something that entertainingly peeved him. forumosa has the space for both serious gripes and less cataclysmic concerns.

I don’t think we need OMG responses to the OP. It’s not a horribly intense OP or concern. Loretta isn’t asking for the guy to be castrated. The OP isn’t going to do any harm to the respondent - no names are mentioned. At most, if he happened to be on forumosa and came across this strangely excitable thread, he might simply take the time to consider that even in Taiwan, even for a teaching position, and even for a substitute gig, it is helpful to provide a little more information to help the advertiser decide whether to give a call.

Finding an appropriate temporary replacement is, after all, important to both the employer and the teacher taking leave.

What a lame-o statement, as if I wouldn’t agree with it. All Loretta had to do was call the guy, but instead he had a “moment” and decided to castigate the guy on the flob.

That’s my point. There are are too many whiners here who like to act superior. I’m totally sick of this shit and I’m far above it.

I’d hire you. :smiley:

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