[quote]The opposition Kuomintang (KMT) said Lee’s statement debunked the assertions by the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) and underground broadcasting stations that the shooting was carried out by the “pan-blue alliance” of the KMT and its political ally, the People First Party (PFP), along with help from mainland China.
DPP whip at the legislative Yuan, Lee Chun-yi, said although he questioned Henry Lee’s assertion that the incident was not an attempt at political assassination, he did point to the fact that Lee’s report also destroys the notion held by the “pan-blue alliance” that the shooting was politically motivated.
the Taiwan Solidarity Union (TSU), went a step further and blamed Henry Lee for getting ahead of himself in announcing that the case was not a politically motivated assassination attempt.
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Everyone is now busy spinning the story to suit their politics. Can’t someone in Taiwan just try to find the guy that did it and just ask him instead…
[quote=“ac_dropout”]Something I think people read too much into things.
Everyone is now busy spinning the story to suit their politics. Can’t someone in Taiwan just try to find the guy that did it and just ask him instead…[/quote]
Not really. His remarks are far too mindless to pass without comment.
Any yokel, myself included, could tell you that a professional assassin most likely would not use a homemade gun to try and kill someone. It’s plain that we did not need the legendary expertise of Henry Lee in order to reach this mind-bendingly obvious conclusion, not to mention that this is not his area of expertise.
however the possibility does exist that an assassin COULD have done this to try to make it look less obvious blah blah blah, and this is just plausible enough to potentially be politically damaging to the opposition.
So the big gun, failing in its attempt to pin something on Chen, was wielded to blast this piffling threat out of existence. Actually kind of makes you wonder why huh?
The great Dr. Henry Lee, the man with the know-all and not only concerning forensics…
How can anyone who makes comments such as these:
“Chinese people’s eyes, according to Lee, are squinted in a constant intense focus that catches tell-tale signs that Americans (presumably he meant white people) can’t pick up with their wide eyes.”
Why is everything about trying to “pin” something on Chen? [/quote]
gee maybe because there was a mad rush to pin something on Chen, starting practically the moment the poor guy got shot.
because it’s stupid enough to make you think the guy’s favorite pastime is banging his head against the wall and drooling.
precisely, and this is my argument with Lee, he should have confined himself to statements about the forensics of the situation and not entered the field of theory of motivation without something more concrete to back up his opinion.
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But of course in Taiwan, the side show seems to always get more attention than the real events.[/quote]
well i won’t argue with you there. however if you create a freak show it is bound to get attention.
[quote]Taipei, Aug. 30 (CNA) Police have made 569 raids around Taiwan in search of places manufacturing illegal firearms since the presidential election-eve shooting of President Chen Shui-bian and Vice President Annette Lu on March 19, officials from Taiwan’s top prosecutor’s office reported Monday.
Officials from the State Public Prosecutor-General’s Office said that no weapons or suspects that could be connected with the shooting have been found…
Officials also said that after careful examination of all the available videos of the “hot zone” where the perpetrator of the shooting was most likely standing, police have identified 46 potential suspects, with 13 people yet to be identified.
Police have also investigated 4,824 people who have previous criminal records for firearms smuggling or trading.
Of these, 4,636 have been found to be unrelated to the shooting and 188 people have yet to be located.
As of last week, the officials said, 244 firearms of various types have been examined, while 12 bullets have been found to be identical in structure with the one found in President Chen’s jacket the day he was shot.[/quote]
Ac, it isn’t like the cops here are sitting around chewing betelnut and pitching NT dollars for Long Life cigarettes.
Those stats are utter bullshit. I presume Wolf, being an adult and having lived here for many years you are aware of that. For those who still believe in the Good Fairy and in National Police Administration declarations of “all the work” we have done…well, it is not for me to burst your bubble. But I would gently bring you back to reality by saying sometimes Taiwanese government agencies tell “little fibs” about what all they have been doing.
Now having said that, there has been an increase in cop action against illegal guns since the NPA declared the last (I forget if it is 60 or 90 day period) couple of months as “Extra Cops Points for Gun Bust Flavor of the Month-Month”. Which means if you own an illegal gun and have been falling behind on your Policeman’s Benevolent Association “voluntary donations” (i.e. your regular bribe payments to the local sub-station) then you can expect to get hassled for the next month or so.
But as for the Boys in Blue “hitting the streets” and “kicking ass and taking names”…umm, not likely.
take care and stay safe,
Det. Popeye Brian
San Chung Vice Squad
[quote=“Wookiee”]The great Dr. Henry Lee, the man with the know-all and not only concerning forensics…
How can anyone who makes comments such as these:
“Chinese people’s eyes, according to Lee, are squinted in a constant intense focus that catches tell-tale signs that Americans (presumably he meant white people) can’t pick up with their wide eyes.”
I would have to see the interview in context to have a comment, but it seems like an obvious out-of-context-quote to me at this time. The other topics in the articles are sensationalized tabloid material.
[quote=“ac_dropout”] [quote=“Wookiee”]The great Dr. Henry Lee, the man with the know-all and not only concerning forensics…
How can anyone who makes comments such as these:
“Chinese people’s eyes, according to Lee, are squinted in a constant intense focus that catches tell-tale signs that Americans (presumably he meant white people) can’t pick up with their wide eyes.”
I would have to see the interview in context to have a comment…
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It was broadcast on TVBS. Write to them and ask them for a CD of the interview. They’ll gladly grant you a copy if you pay for (overseas) shipping.
He did make those comments. I guess it was probably because he thought he could get away with it–and he has–after all, how many “wai guo ren” here watch TVBS interviews?
Imagine him making a comment like that in the U.S. His ass would be grass in no time. Of course, he wouldn’t dare. He knows where the butter for his bread comes from–F*&%# ingrate!
Henry Lee been on TV plenty of times in the USA, I think there was even a special centered around some of his greatest cases (wife and the wood chipper). Granted one needs a little patience with listen to his accented spoken English.
I would just find it odd that a scientist would make a phenotypic comment like that. I’m pretty sure it was in context of Chinese “culture” vs. American “culture.” I commonly hear in the work environment comments from Chinese like:
Wai Guo Nao bu ling huo.
外國腦不靈活.
Which translates to “Foriegn brains are not nimble.”
A pretty racist statement out of context.
But the usual context is that a Chinese supervisor assumed his foreign underling operated with all the same assumptions or was familiar with the environment as he was. Resulting in either the task not being completed or done in an inefficient manner. And not a reference to old Nazi propaganda of skull shapes between ethnic groups effecting overall intelligence.
I would have to see the interview in context to have a comment, but it seems like an obvious out-of-context-quote to me at this time. The other topics in the articles are sensationalized tabloid material.[/quote]
I have to agree with AC. particularly as it appeared in the TT. the “slanty eye” comment sounds like it may have been a joke.
assuming that you were actually shot at of course.
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“Chinese people’s eyes are squinted in a constant intense focus that catches tell-tale signs that Americans can’t pick up with their wide eyes.”[/quote]
Nice of him to prove correct all the theories about his being a dickhead attention whore.
I would have to see the interview in context to have a comment, but it seems like an obvious out-of-context-quote to me at this time. The other topics in the articles are sensationalized tabloid material.[/quote]
I have to agree with AC. particularly as it appeared in the TT. the “slanty eye” comment sounds like it may have been a joke.[/quote]
A joke! Jimmy the Greek was fired over a “joke,” and Rush Limbaugh resigned over a “joke.” I am sure Lee is intelligent and sophisticated enough to know that comments such as these would not be seen as a joke anywhere in the U.S.
I would have to see the interview in context to have a comment, but it seems like an obvious out-of-context-quote to me at this time. The other topics in the articles are sensationalized tabloid material.[/quote]
I have to agree with AC. particularly as it appeared in the TT. the “slanty eye” comment sounds like it may have been a joke.[/quote]
A joke! Jimmy the Greek was fired over a “joke,” and Rush Limbaugh resigned over a “joke.” I am sure Lee is intelligent and sophisticated enough to know that comments such as these would not be seen as a joke anywhere in the U.S.
Perhaps he should tell that “joke” on CNN?[/quote]
please, please. don’t tell me that after all, all, all the bullshit we have to put up with in taiwan, we should have to put up with the us pc bullshit too and not be able to make a fucking joke about eyes. please.
I dont know if Dr Lee was speaking tongue in cheek or not, but some of the things hes said don`t sound like the professional conclusions of a forensics expert.
I dont know if Dr Lee was speaking tongue in cheek or not, but some of the things hes said don`t sound like the professional conclusions of a forensics expert.[/quote]
A man of his US/worldwide-recognized stature surely has “privelage” here. You know, a good old boy comes home of course has to show off to the locals by saying how hard it was proving his worth in the US, and in retaliation has to come up with a “joke,” nay, a slight against the very people who gave him the opportunity to become who he is.
I have no idea why he went there. It had/has very little relevance to his task of investigating the attemped assasination. In fact, it detracted from it and lessened his credibility.
Maybe he was trying to sound cosmopolitan, or, maybe he just wanted to get on SNL?
Wow! Please parse my arguments and show me how you reached this conclusion.
Dude, (Dudess?) I went away from the discussion because you asked nicely–you used the “P” word, remember?
So, I’m back.
Henry Lee discussed the disadvantages he faced as an Asian American just after he made the “squinty Chinese eyes” comment. That would lead one to believe that he was not being jocular. Or, if he was, he was trying to deflect from his obvious faux pas. Kind of like “OOOPS! I fucked up and made a racist comment, and now I must say something to show that I was racially disadvantaged in the US.”
Who knows? Perhaps the OJ thing and the bulletgate thing here went to his head and he started having dreams of being on Leno or Letterman.
But dudess (dude?), he was here as THE expert. The whole country was hanging on his every word and almost every time he made a comment he just showed that he probably wasn’t the best person for the task–which was the gist of my original post on this thread.
Let me spell this out for you nice and slow so you can get it. Where did you come up with that brilliant analysis? You’re worse than Lee.
You are absolutely hysterical. A joke about squinty or non-squinty eyes is not racist in any sense of the word. I still see no reason to believe he was not being jocular, even considering your brilliant sleuth work, Sherlock. I may not possess your amazing analytical ability but it seems logical to me that such a joke would come up during a discussion of that sort.