Hey Ho, Let's Go: Punk Rock Top 10

  1. Iggy & the Stooges - Raw Power

No one before or since has rocked so violently insane over the abyss. David Bowie infamously fucked up the mix, but that’s been corrected with the reissue - which is now probably the loudest CD in my collection. This is the granddaddy of’em all, a street walking cheetah with a heart full of napalm.

  1. The New York Dolls (s/t)

Well, it’s pretty obvious where ‘80s hairmetal has its roots in - but if only those poodleheads paid half as much attention to the Doll’s music as they obviously did their makeup. The missing link between the Stones and Guns’n’Roses, this is sleazily decadent glam’n’roll at its most raw and exciting. Even the Sex Pistols paid tribute in “New York”. Lonely planet boys just lookin’ for a kiss from their Vietnamese baby.

  1. The Ramones (s/t)

Keep It Simple, Stupid. The songs are all short and about Nazis, beating up brats, psychotic male prostitutes, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Cuban spies, and glue sniffing. “It all sounds the same,” yeah, yeah, but it’s a GOOD sound the same.

  1. The Clash (s/t)

Life in late '70s Britain sucked and Strummer/Jones & Co. vent about it in lovingly righteously enraged detail. Not that a teenager living in the States in the late '80s could understand half of what they were talking about (and not just because of Strummer’s Andy Capp slurring and mumbling half the words incomprehensible.) But the clang-clang of the jail guitar doors don’t need no enunciating - the message comes through LOUD and clear. The U.S. edition has 16 tracks and every one’s a stone hard rock classic. Forget punk, this might be the greatest rock’n’roll album, period.

  1. The Buzzcocks - Singles Going Steady

Ignore the fact that they’re directly responsible for Good Charlotte and Blink 182 and their ilk. These homosexuals were the punk rock Beatles, as well as the authors of the most hilarious tunes about you know what, ya wankers (“Orgasm Addict”). 8 A-sides, 8 B-sides, these hummable ditties about boy-meets-boy are positively…well, ‘orgasmic’ is the only proper word.

  1. Black Flag - The First Four Years

Lots of people would pick Damaged first, but I’ve always preferred the pre-Henry Rollins lineups. Gregg Ginn was punk rock’s finest ever guitar virtuoso, throwing in weird avant-garde free-jazz noise and changes into aggressive hardcore punk. The songs are mostly around one minute long and possess no hummable melodies - just pure, raw rage and aggression. Wear your voice out screaming along.

  1. X - Los Angeles

They’d probably gag at the comparison, but John & Exene were the Lindsey Buckingham/Stevie Nicks (of Fleetwood Mac) of L.A. punk. They were into country & western as much as they were into Lou Reed, and a lot of their songs sound as if this married couple were mutually cheating on each other. Light years more emotionally interesting than the typical “Margaret Thatcher/Ronald Reagan SUCKS!” fare of most classic punk.

  1. The Angry Samoans - The Unboxed Set

75 minutes, 43 songs. What more do you need? At the time the most politically incorrect band on the planet, but not without a sense of knowing irony - the punchline in “You Stupid Asshole” is the admission that, “Baby I’m one, too”. With songs like “My Old Man’s a Fatso,” and “They Saved Hitler’s Cock,” you know you can’t lose, unless you’re, like, a mature adult or something.

  1. The Replacements - Sorry Ma, Forgot To Take Out The Trash

Early ‘Mats are underrated. Sure, they made better records later as the greatest rock’n’roll bar band ever, but before future Winona Ryder stalking victim Paul Westerberg got all sensitive-songwriter on us, they delivered a couple of albums’ worth of pure punk rock scorchers. “Hotter than a urinary tract infection,” as the liner notes boast. Though they try to deliver the obligatory angry rebellious punk rock anthemism at times, it’s obvious that these ragged drunks were more interested in getting piss-drunk than venting about being pissed-off. The punk musical philosophy, “I hate music / It’s got too many notes,” is given an airing here, but even better was “Goddamn Job” from the next album - entire lyrics:

“I need a goddamn job
I need a goddamn girl
GODDAMNIT!”

  • which used to be my philosophy of life during my younger years, and if you’ve never felt that kind of blues, FUCK YOU! :raspberry:
    Some of the other albums on this list I don’t play so much these days (I’m a gettin’ older and this music don’t suit my weary old bones so much) but I’m always going to play this, because this is above merely punk rock, this is just plain good old fashion rock’n’roll.
  1. Husker Du - Warehouse: Songs & Stories

That other little punk band from Minneapolis, the Du wedded the noisiest hardcore punk maelstrom to Beatlesque melody, and this double-album 20-song farewell platter captures them at the height of their craft. Some would pick one of their earlier, more intense albums like Zen Arcade, but this one’s easily their most consistent - I don’t have to constantly fiddle with the fast-forward button like I have to with their other albums. Both Bob Mould and Grant Hart are at the top of their game, and the somewhat “slick” production (read: doesn’t sound like it was recorded in a basement) only highlights their classic songwriting abilities. Another great band that would have hit the big time if they hadn’t broken up ten years too early.

Honorable mentions to the Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, the Damned, the Saints, Wire, Bad Brains, etc., etc. - you can’t expect me to include everything on a list exclusive to only 10.

How about MC5? The Pistols? D.O.A?

That’s a good list … I didn’t know about the Samoans box set, either. My list has a few of the same bands, but different albums. Some aren’t quite punk, but close enough. …

Husker Du: Zen Arcade – Double album that goes from punk to acoustic. “I Willl Never Forget You” is one of the rawest, angriest relationship songs ever created. I think it was recorded in 1983.

Black Flag: My War – This was recorded around the same time as Zen Arcade (early 80s) and shows Flag’s punk rock influences giving way to more careful songwriting tendencies. Supposedly they listened to a lot of Sabbath when making this one; it shows in songs like “Nothing Left Inside.”

Suicidal Tendencies – Self-titled debut from 1983. This is the one with “I Shot Reagan” and “Institutionalized”, but there are a couple of other gems, including “I Want More.”

Angry Samoans – Back From Samoa (1982 – are you starting to see a pattern here?). Great riffs and a raw, but not too raw production. It’s so politically incorrect you gotta laugh.

Minor Threat - Complete Discography. This combines a whole lotta 7" tunes in one glorious package with gigantic sleeve notes. I like the “Out of Step” stuff, but the raw classics (“Filler”, etc.) from earlier discs are on there, too.

F.O.D. - Love Songs. Obscure 7" from 80s Pennsylvania punk rockers that has great riffs, and breaks, and infectious energy to boot.

Blasting Concept – This is a classic SST compilation from the late 70s. Early, punky Black Flag, Husker Du covering “Eight Miles High”, and a few great obscurities you won’t hear elsewhere (such as The Stains).

Decline of Western Civilization soundtrack – this is the first Penelop Spheeris documentary from the early 80s, that covered the LA punk scene. X, Black Flag, and a few others are featured, including the late Darby Crash who was so fucked up he had to have subtitles on the film when he sang.

Bad Brains – I against I (1986?). This is not as punky as their earlier release “Rock For Light”, but the songwriting is tight. Incredible live band.

Green Day – International Superhits – I remember a lot of old schoolers tagged these guys as Johnnie Come Latelys and sellouts in the mid-90s, but the fact of the matter is, note for note, Green Day’s songwriting skills bested any of their musical contemporaries in any genre. Really … if you arranged something from Dookie for Britney, she’d have a hit.

Dwarves - Blood, Guts and Pussy (1990) Seattle punk rockers who sing about drugs, little girls, and other shit and don’t care what anyone thinks.

Mission of Burma – Rykodisc compilation. About 25 tracks from these early 80s Boston group. They played so loud the guitarist went partially deaf. Most of the stuff on the disc ain’t punk, but I don’t know what else to call it.

Man, I can’t beleive all the great music I see in those above posts. That Replacements album and that Minor Threat album were two of the first punk albums I owned. Pretty much did it for me. I never could really get into the sex pistols. Seemed like a whole lot of show and not a whole lot more. Except for my number one, i’ll write a list of later punk bands that really inspired me and help me get thru those dark dark days of being a youth.

1: Ramones (first album)

2: Bad Religion (Against the grain)

3: Fugazi (Repeater)

4: Jawbreaker (bivuoac/24 hour revenge therapy)

5: Screeching Weasel (my brain hurts)

6: Minor Threat (discoragaphy)

7: Crimpshrine (first album)

8: NoFX (ribbed)

9: Naked Raygun (first 3 albums)

10: Blatz/Filth (shit split ep)

Damage

I would put that Dwarves album somewhere in the top 15 as they kick a bunch of ass.
cheers

I plumb forgot about them (“Home of the brave, whoa ho!”) … I know, pretty fucking sad, but all my vinyl is in the basement.

That reminded me of two other groups that should be squeezed in, if only because they fit in the “where are they now”? category with Raygun. The groups are Government Issue, and The Jesus Lizard. I had heard that GI broke up and the guitarist became a dentist (!) but don’t know if that’s true. Jesus Lizard seemed to drop off the face of the planet after putting out some great albums in the early 90s.

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Ah, some of my absolute favorites have already been mentioned (The Minutemen

Chixdiggit Born on the First of July was a great punk album too

I had the pleasure of seeing Chixdiggit with The Muffs and Groovy Ghoulies just a few months before coming to Taiwan (yikes). They put on a great live show, if memory serves me…which it rarely does.

Rites of Spring… I do love that band. I’m pretty bad at writing a top ten list. I keep thinking of all these great bands afterwords that should’ve been there. I can’t beleive I forgot about this band here:

Operation Ivy :smiley:

damage

Can’t think of a top ten, however, Bad Brains (now Soul Brains) are my favourite Punk/HC band and one of the most influential bands of their time, for me their sound from I against I shaped what was to become ‘Nu-metal’ (and most of that stuff is lame give or take about 2 bands).

But the album that I want to listen to and never tire of is the Cro-mags, Age of Quarrel. It is awesome. They lost it after that album and they went metal and although they have some moments on other releases they never come close to AOQ.
You can download the album for free here if you are interested:
cromags.com/music.html

No-one has mentioned DRI on their list, their album, Dealing with it is also a classic…
And I love early Discharge. Their latest album, sounds like a return to their early sound…

This has put me in the mood…

I went and downloaded the Negative Approach stuff … pretty solid, short but sweet. Thanks for the link!

I also heard a new CD today on a local college radio station. I was listening to it in the car, and thinking, man, these guys sound just like Mission of Burma, except for the singer (not as nasal as Burma) and it’s pretty darn good. It turns out they were Burma … they just released a new album! I don’t know if they have a different singer, or the guy developed his voice, but if you have a chance to get the album, I think it’s worth it.

The mention of Cro-Mags and DRI … two bands who changed from punk/hardcore to metal, brings up a good point. The bands in this thread tend to either evolve in a good way (Bad Brains), go downhill (Cro-Mags), break up at apex of their talents (Minor Threat), or kind of continue along in the same vein (Descendents-All).

Of course, what might be a decline to me, is a positive change to others. But I am interested in the bands that declined … I used to like Suicidal Tendencies a lot, but frankly, after the first album, they really lost it. Metallic cheese …

Anyone else want to throw out some names on the bonfire of Bands That Lost Your Respect?

The Clash released one album too many. At least the title of Cut the Crap was honesty in advertising.

Most of the classic punk bands broke up at the right time - short life spans. Most bands never release more than 2 or 3 albums worth of material worth hearing, anyway.

Yeah Suicidal’s first album is a classic. I do like a bit of metal (Slayer are a classic band), most of STs music after their debut was never a match.
Their funky metal sound was in parts interesting at the time and then it went stupid.
For me their 1999 album Freedumb is a good punk album and with it there was hope, then in 2000 they released their last album Free Your Soul And Save My Mind and that was terrible. I played it once and dumped it.

I’m trying to think of bands that lost it or as said declined. I remember Discharge became a joke on some later albums - hair metal. From a muddy faster motorhead sound to hair metal and high vocals - they lost it.

One band although not punk/hc that lost it was celtic frost. They went from thrash pioneers to glam. The sight of them dressed and trying to sound like motley crue was pathetic. I saw them one time around the glam era and there were about 20 people in the venue (the week before motorhead had filled it out with about 1000). And all those 20 or so were fans of their early intense stuff…

I remember someone having a Negative Approach video from the early 80s that a US cable network made. It was weird watching and thinking it would be shown with the micheal Jackson and dolly parton videos floating around at the time. Especially as most people would think it was just a noise (and still would).

Slapshot are another good band. There are so many, I can’t remember, I’d need to have a look at my record collection but it is back home…

I find it kind of painful to listen to the Ramones later albums. As much I love and worship those guys, those later albums really didn’t do much for me.

Going back to Naked Raygun, a lot of people thought their album ‘jettison’ was pretty bad, though I think it’s agreat album.

Other bands? hmm…

Rancid - can’t even listen to their last album

Bad Religion - they started to really suck, but their latest ‘process of beleif’ album is really really good imo.

NoFX - Same as Bad Religion. Started getting old, but the ‘war on errorism’ is classic.

Face to Face - I don’t know what they were trying to pull.

Green Day - Used to be an excellent band

Suicidal - already been mentioned

That’s about it. i’m sure more will come to me as soon as I hit ‘submit’ at the bottom

I hear you there, but I liked one of the projects that came after … Big Audio Dynamite. I went to one of their shows as doubting mr. hardcore (girlfriend dragged me to it) and came away a total fan. It was different than what I listened to at home, but they really had a groove. I didn’t listen to much of Strummers solo stuff, though. Never made the effort to buy it, and of course you would never hear it on the air or in the clubs in Taiwan.

Black Flag also had a weird tragectory at the end, and afterwards … I am probably one of the few that actually enjoyed The Process of Weeding Out, but thought that Ginn’s next band Gone sucked so bad. Early Rollins Band, though … unbelievable live and on disc. Lifetime is a classic.

Rollins is still something live, some of his recent releases haven’t been the best, but you can’t fault him live. I remember seeing him supporting the RHCPs in 92, BSSM was rocking the world and people were really getting into the RHCPs. I had been into the RHCPs for a number of years then (saw them play an excellent show in 90 )and had heard the odd rollins track but had never really checked rollins out. At the gig rollins made the RHCPs look like boys. He blew them off the stage. I’ve never seen a support band do that before or since. Everyone was blown away… When the RHCPs came on, it was already game over…

From the Onion:

“These kids today have no idea what real punk is,” said Tolbert, who called himself “Steve Spew” from 1992 until May 1999, when he was forced to revert to his real name to take a job at Roberto’s Custom Auto Upholstery. “Those so-called punk bands they listen to today? Sum 41? Good Charlotte? The Ataris? They’re not punk. Back in the day, man, we used to listen to the real deal: Rancid, The Offspring, NOFX, Green Day. Those guys were what true punk rock was all about. Today’s stuff is just a pale, watered-down imitation. There’s no comparison.”

Anyone else feel deja vu? The rest of the article is here:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3919/90s_punk.html

Klaxon,

You unintentionally got me good. I read the quote without first seeing the source. I was thinking “WTF!!!” until I saw your ref to the Onion. Can’t believe I somehow missed that article when it came out- it’s a friggin’ hilarious read, and I almost pissed myself laughing. “These kids today have no sense of history,” “For us back in the '90s, punk was a way of life […] It was a cry of outrage against the repressive authority of the Clinton administration.”

As usual, the Onion has it down - the perfect mix of sarcasm, humor, and social commentary. There has always been a generational tension in the scene (they had fun misplacing it into the 90s). Deja vu indeed… I can’t even count how many times I got pulled into discussions of what was punk or not punk (or how many times I heard people called poseurs). One guy I knew tried to define anything as available in commercial recordshops as not being punk - then someone brought up the Pistols and The Clash, and he said “Oh yeah. Except for them. And now maybe The Misfits.” There was a kind of uncomfortable unknowing silent reverence for 70s punk. I only ever saw a few 70s punks at 80s hardcore shows - sometimes it was the same thing about history and being there and purity. Then a lot of 80s hardcore fans were pretty much universally disgusted with scene in the 90s, let alone the commercialism of “pop” bands like Green Day, the Offspring, etc. Please forgive my reductiveness by defining things in 10-year sets - doesn’t really work that way. And as someone far wiser than me once said “That’s the great thing about punk rock - whatever you say about it is wrong.”

For all the scene’s noncomformity, there was always a fair bit of social pressure. One guy laughed at me once for putting on Sabbath and Zeppelin records, but that’s what I grew up on. A lot of people hated DRI, COC, the English Dogs, and even Discharge for “going metal,” even though they were experimenting with boundaries. The whole thing spills over into grunge - I know some college kids who rave over Puddle of Mudd, but are way too young to remember Nirvana. On the other hand, I met a lot of really cool “crossover” people. I remember a big-time Slayer fan getting turned on to hardcore - at first I disdained his music, but gave it a listen and found I liked a lot of it. Okay, some of it. But now it seems to be all about crossover to me.

What’s the solution? Listen to what you like and fuck anyone who says otherwise. Well, not literally. Unless you want to.

A few weeks before I came to Taiwan, I was walking down the street, and a bunch of kids in leather and mohawks were coming the other way. Looked like they wanted to start some shit (probably because I now had long hair). What irony. Then when I got up close one of the kids recognizes me and says “Holy shit! Do you know who this is? It’s the granddaddy of punk rock!” Made me uncomfortable as hell, and I gave up after a few sentences of trying to explain who the “real” granddaddies were and how I was born too late, and so instead we just talked for a bit about the weather and school. They recommended a few bands to me, and I feigned interest. Now I wish I’d written them down.

Couldn’t agree more.

You mentioned Slayer. One band whose records I never tire of. One of the most intense bands I’ve had the pleasure of seeing live. I’ve seen them in the arena 89,90 and 01- which wasn’t too bad, but the small club date show they did in 2000 was awesome. Same with Sabbath(with Ozzy). I saw them in 97 at an arena, great, but the 2000 show they did at a small club was one of the best shows I’ve been to.