Hell… If there is a God, Lucifer is doing more than chasing his own tail. This is what I’m observing:
Where is God? Why does he let that happen? If anything, God and Lucifer are the same supernatural entity/spirit. But I wouldn’t know.
What do you think?
How dramatic.
Personally, I doubt if I’ll discover whether or not there is a god until I die, so I’m quite happy to wait.
Now, do us a favour and delete some of those bandwidth-sapping pics.
Cheers
[quote=“Infidel”]How dramatic.
Personally, I doubt if I’ll discover whether or not there is a god until I die, so I’m quite happy to wait.
Now, do us a favour and delete some of those bandwidth-sapping pics.
Cheers[/quote]
So you think you will find out when you die. Fair enough, I hope for the same.
Thank you for your input, and please excuse me if I will not delete the pics. 
Most of the suffering in those pics seems to be caused either directly or indirectly by humans. Some of the pics did not really depict suffering, but a much different socio-economic thing than my western sized ideal is used to. Kids cry all the time.
What god are you talking about? Some sort of Judeo/Christian entity? Lucifer?
There are lots of gods or dieties out there in every culture for every reason, and lots of powers higher than us. Gravity, hunger, fear, unexpected crippling accidents, sex, war, ambition, money, death, our parents; you name it.
It’s a little weird to blame “GOD” for trouble, when there hasn’t been any conclusive evidence beyond the individual feeling of faith that “GOD” cares either way.
All gets down to faith. Personally, I believe I have a place here, and a purpose, and a life to do with as I wish. I have a choice. Many of them. I’m here to make the best of it. I do, incidentaly, believe in good and evil.
With that, I’m off to say my prayers and go to bed. 
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It’s a little weird to blame “GOD” for trouble, when there hasn’t been any conclusive evidence beyond the individual feeling of faith that “GOD” cares either way.
[/quote]I agree. Not sure if there is a God or not. Maybe suffering has a divine purpose, or maybe it’s just an evil deed. Who knows.
How about you tell us what you believe, joshini.
Perhaps those who suffer the most learn the real value of compassion. Those who have it easy all their lives don’t. They may even be sardonic in light of others’ suffering here and there…
If there is a God who is so mighty and powerful and who loves us so much, it is strange to observe so much suffering. So there is either a good reason for it, or there is no God at all. I don’t know, and I don’t think anyone knows for sure.
Who knows? I don’t know. You don’t know. Nobody knows. Glad we’ve cleared that up.
There are already two long-running threads addressing this issue. Not sure we need another. But maybe there’s some divine intervention at play here. Then again, maybe not. Who knows? Who cares?
Good night.
Thanks for inviting me to the “agnostics’ thread” joshini. I think I’ll reply to your question of evil back on the theists thread because it relates better to theism than the question of agnosticism and what exactly any of us know. But I would be glad to discuss the concepts of ignorance, uncertainty, and belief.
Personally, I like the agnostic position. Socrates would probably agree. When you don’t know, reserving judgment is a wise choice. And when it comes to God, how can you know?
First, off, how can you know anything? You’ve all read Descartes. Cogito, ergo sum. Before that, everything can be doubted. A person can even doubt their own senses. But the very act of thinking creates certainty, and from that certainty there are a number of things you can be sure of:
The existence of intelligence, thought, and self.
From this you can be certain of the existence of any concept which you can think of which must exist (the concept) because you conceived it. Mathematics and logical truth can also be conceived and trusted. But what beyond that can you really be certain of? That’s as far as I am willing to go and still claim 100% certainty. Yes, and that includes the existence of God, but that also includes the existence of you, my physical body, and anything considered part of observable reality.
But I don’t believe it is rational to doubt your own senses in a general sense. Just because you might be a brain in a vat does not mean such a thing is probable. But understanding that at times your senses can fool you because of their inherent limitations can inform your decision-making process.
So, what do you know? What you have perceived and have no rational reason to doubt as well as what you can logically deduce from what you have perceived. This you cannot be 100% absolutely certain of, but the degree of certainty is so high that it might as well be. Thus I will call this knowledge as well.
So, how can you know whether or not there is a God? You must perceive it somehow. There’s no other way, because the question of God is something you cannot trust another person’s perceptions on to claim knowledge of. It’s ok to believe, but not to say you know.
“Which is it? Is man one of God’s blunders, or is God one of man’s blunders?”
F.W. NIETZSCHE
Whatever the case may, she certainly has a definite sense of fear & loathing.