Hillary would 'totally obliterate' Iran! *

reuters.com/article/wtMostRe … 2720080422

Can’t say I disagree with her really. Deterrence worked well with the USSR and it’s certainly worth a try with Iran, but trying it implies convincing them that you’re willing to nuke 'em.

Obviously domestically it’s not a bad idea to try a bit of triangulation between Obama and McCain. Maybe she can pick up support from the people who think McCain is a RINO too, though I sort of doubt it given how much they hate her.

  • Offer only applies if they were to attack Israel with nuclear weapons

Nothing but campaign rhetoric as admitted later in the article.
She is just making a statement of fact regarding ‘what could be done’ rather than what she would do.

I look for Barry O to call her a “bitter typical white person” and milk this for all its worth.

Naah, he’s too smart to play the race card.

Mind you he did condemn her ‘sabre rattling’ as ‘unhelpful’, so he clearly doesn’t understand either triangulation or deterrence. Seems like his left wing supporters have nowhere else to go, so I think he should have said something menacing but measured like McCain did and try to court support from the right.

I think Barry O’Bama has more allegiance to his drunken Irish relatives than the USA. He’ll sell us out for a pint.

Bubba doesn’t think so

youtube.com/watch?v=pBlBIAt4YZA

Isn’t Bubba considered a racist slur? Since neither of us are American, maybe TC could clarify for us.

[quote=“KingZog”][quote=“Chewycorns”]
Bubba doesn’t think so
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Isn’t Bubba considered a racist slur? Since neither of us are American, maybe TC could clarify for us.[/quote]

It’s his nickname nontheless. Care to comment on his allegation that Obama and his campaign played the race card?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba

[quote=“Chewycorns”]Care to comment on his allegation that Obama and his campaign played the race card?
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Bill Clinton made some ambiguous comments about how Obama had done well in areas where Jesse Jackson had.

blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/04 … t_jes.html

Then the Obama campaign and their irritating media fan club spun them as saying that Clinton was saying Obama had done well because he was black. Looking at the carefully edited soundbite on The Daily Show, you could get that impression, but it’s not clear that is what he meant if you listen to the link above. It certainly doesn’t seem to be in character for him to do that, but I guess his wife’s campaign was in dire straits and he was trying to argue that Obama’s early successes were somehow a special case that he could not replicate. Then finally Clinton complained that they’d played the race card by doing that.

So far, so sordid. But if you look at what I said it was that Obama himself was too smart to play the race card in the way TC said. He’d get someone in his campaign to do it, but in a much more subtle way like this that makes it look as if the Clinton campaign is playing it.

Just like Hillary is too smart to make the dangerous Jesse Jackson comparison herself, both get someone else to do it for them. Unfortunately for the Clintons, the media are much more likely to jump on them for this sort of thing than they are on Obama.

When Iran says it will annihilate X, it’s terrorism.

When a candidate from the US says it, it’s “deterrence”.

lol.

What a bitch. I can see why Bill went for such fugly gfs. Anything would be better in comparison.

[quote=“Jack Burton”]When Iran says it will annihilate X, it’s terrorism.

When a candidate from the US says it, it’s “deterrence”.[/quote]

I will nuke you if you do X - deterrence against doing X.
You must be wiped off the map- crazy talk.

Now wikipedia argues that he was misquoted by the state controlled IRNA propaganda outfit. But even if you believe that he still believes that the Israeli state must be destroyed and replaced with an Islamic one. From an Israeli point of view, that isn’t a very appealing option. And there’s a question of strategy. The US has lots of nukes and can use them to deter people. Saying you want to destroy your neighbour when you don’t have them quite yet but are working hard on it will just cause them to do absolutely anything necessary to stop you getting them.

Whether you agree with what Clinton said or not, it seems to be a lot better thought out than what Ahmadinejad said. Plus she’s trying to stop a war and he’s trying to start one. There’s really no comparison.

Good to see the enlightened left are above cheap, sexist jibes against a female politician’s appearance and only judge them on their politics.

Wow. Someone called me an “enlightened left.”

haha. :laughing:

ok, fine, she’s a politician’s politician. I don’t like her voting record, I don’t think she, as a Clinton, would bring closer bipartisanship, I think she, as a Clinton, would stir up the whole rightwing controversy stuff all over again, and I wouldn’t trust her. happy?

The Israelis must be having a good laugh over this one. They hardly need us to nuke anyone for them because they already have all our nuclear technology:

American arrested as nuclear spy for Israel

All of which is configured as an extensive first and second strike capability either by being buried deep underground in the form of nuclear-tipped Jericho missiles, on board submarines as cruise missile technology (thanks to us again) or in some form or another always airborne.

If anyone should feel threatened it’s Iran, particularly since Israel has a nuclear weapons armed submarine permanently stationed off its coast ready to obliterate its cities at a moment’s notice.

Is Israel threatening to nuke Iran?

Is Israel threatening to nuke Iran?[/quote]

If someone were pointing a loaded gun at you and you were unarmed would you feel threatened? If, during the Cold War, only the Soviet Union had had nuclear weapons and some of them were permanently stationed off the East Coast of the U.S. would you have felt threatened?

It’s just common sense.

I guess that if the US said that Russia had no right to exist and should be wiped off of the face of the earth, then it would deserve to have Russia standing by to defend itself.

Speaking of which, from the height of the Cold War:

We will bury you.

[quote]Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev famously used an expression generally translated into English as “We will bury you!” (“Мы вас похороним!”, transliterated as My vas pokhoronim!) while addressing Western ambassadors at a reception at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.The translation has been controversial because it was presented out of context as being belligerent. The phrase may well have been intended to mean the Soviet Union would outlast the West, as a more complete version of the quote reads: “Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you”(Нравится вам или нет, но история на нашей стороне. Мы вас похороним)—a meaning more akin to “we will outlive you” than “we shall kill you”.

Speaking some years later in Yugoslavia, Khrushchev himself remarked, “I once said, ‘We will bury you,’ and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you”, a nod to the popular Marxist saying, “The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism.” Khrushchev later went on to explain that socialism would replace capitalism in the same manner that capitalism itself supplanted feudalism.[/quote]

Good thing we didn’t pull the trigger out of ignorance at the time.

He’ll be singing from the song sheet, taking orders, like the rest who came before and will come after.

The real commanders sold out the USA years ago.

It won’t get any better.
The North American Union is coming. Mexico will be Canada.

[quote=“KingZog”][quote=“Chewycorns”]
Bubba doesn’t think so
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Isn’t Bubba considered a racist slur? Since neither of us are American, maybe TC could clarify for us.[/quote]

Bubba is not a racist slur. Actually, you would most likely nickname a big, oversized white guy “Bubba.” But I also know a couple where the husband calls his skinny redhead wife the same name. It’s kind of affectionate sometimes.

[quote=“Indiana”][quote=“KingZog”][quote=“Chewycorns”]
Bubba doesn’t think so
[/quote]Isn’t Bubba considered a racist slur? Since neither of us are American, maybe TC could clarify for us.[/quote]Bubba is not a racist slur. Actually, you would most likely nickname a big, oversized white guy “Bubba.” But I also know a couple where the husband calls his skinny redhead wife the same name. It’s kind of affectionate sometimes.[/quote]KingZog -
My $.02 is that generally speaking its not a slur or derogatory. More along the line of an affectionate or friendly nick-name.
Like Indy says, it is even used for females sometimes among family. It is used for babies, chillens, teens and older folks…just as a term of endearment or friendly recognition.

As for the ‘racist’ element…that dog jess don’t hunt. The term doesn;t have a darn thing to do with anybodies race. I know whites and blacks who are called ‘Bubba’ on a regular basis.
“Hey Bubba, when you think that motor will be fixed?”…just a term used rather than ‘Bud’ ‘Buddy’ or something other than a persons name. No ‘racism’ involved.

Now when its used by someone not of the same cultural, usually southern, southwestern or southeastern, demographic…well, now they might load that term u with all kinds of stereotypical denigration and derogatory implications to suit their purposes. But thats their trick.

Just my comments…take 'em as ya see 'em…tell Big Bubba, Little Bubba and the Bubbette howdy when ya sees 'em…:smiley:

When the US and UK plotted to nuke China in the 60’s, they never reveal their intention until in recent years. No one should take what the leaders or future leaders of nuclear countries said lightly.

Bush started the “Axis of Evils” rhetoric and now Hillary Clinton suggested such a possibility. This should justify Iran’s nuclear programme. :unamused:

I’m against nuclear proliferation. But I will not allow the nuclear powers to threaten the world with it either.

Countries with nuclear weapons mustn’t be threatening other countries without it. US should be made to commit to China’s non-first-use initiative and commit to NPT’s disarmament. Under no circumstances should nukes be used (not even verbally) unless being threatened by nukes itself.