HK Chinese busted for stealing US defense technology

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Friday, November 4, 2005


HK four held over US secrets theft

Former TVB engineer arrested trying to board Cathay flight, allegedly carrying military technology bound for mainland

CHARLES SNYDER in Washington

FBI agents in Los Angeles have arrested four people with ties to Hong Kong - including a former TVB engineer now working for Phoenix television - for allegedly attempting to smuggle highly sensitive US military technology to the mainland via Hong Kong.
The material included research into silent propulsion systems for US warships - technology that is banned from export to China.

The four, all ethnic Chinese, were allegedly involved in a scheme to steal the military secrets from a defence contractor where one of them worked and transport the information to Guangzhou on encrypted CDs, according to an affidavit obtained by the South China Morning Post.

One of the four, Mak Tai-wing, and his wife, Li Fuk-heung, were arrested at Los Angeles International Airport last Friday night as they were about to board a Cathay Pacific flight leaving for Hong Kong around midnight.

The two others, Mak’s brother Mak Chi, also known as Jack Mak, and his wife, Rebecca Chiu Lai-wah, were arrested at their home.

An FBI affidavit states that Mak Tai-wing is the broadcast and engineering director for Phoenix North American Chinese Channel, which broadcasts programmes in the United States. Before arriving in the US from Hong Kong in May 2001, he was a supervisor in the audio department of TVB, according to a report his son, Mak Yui, presented to an oral history project for an Asian American studies class at UCLA in March of this year.

The elder Mak was born in Guangzhou in 1949 and emigrated to Hong Kong in 1978. Worried about the handover, he then migrated to the US, his son wrote.

Mak Tai-wing had married Li Fuk-heung in Hong Kong. Both are permanent residents of the US. Mak Chi is a high-level engineer with Power Paragon of Anaheim, California, a subsidiary of L-3/SPD Technologies/Power Systems Group, a defence contractor that develops advanced technologies for naval systems. He had secrets clearance and was the lead project engineer at Power Paragon on a research project involving Quiet Electric Drive (QED) technology for use aboard US Navy warships.

“QED is an extremely sensitive project,” the FBI said. The US Navy considers it “significant military equipment” and the US bans its export to most countries.

According to the affidavit, “Chi transferred information concerning QED and other projects belonging to the government from his workplace to his home. Once there, Chi copied such information onto CDs and delivered them to his brother, Tai. Tai encrypted the information with the assistance of another”, and made arrangements to take the CDs to Guangzhou.

In addition to the QED technology, the FBI alleges Chi was planning to smuggle other secrets to China. Rifling through rubbish at his home in February, agents allegedly found two lists printed in Chinese. The lists were shredded, but the FBI reassembled them. One instructed Chi to “join more [professional] associations and participate in more seminars with special subject matter”. It included a directive to gain information on a number of military technologies, including space-based military systems.

Mak Chi was ordered held without bond. Li Fuk-heung was scheduled to appear in court at a bail hearing last night Hong Kong time, and Mak and Chiu are scheduled for bond hearings tomorrow.

If convicted of the charge of stealing US government property, each of the four could face prison terms of up to 10 years plus fines.[/quote]

If true, this gives a bit of credence to the “grains of sand” theory on China’s intelligence gathering.

Things were a lot easier for them when the Clinton* regieme was in power. Now they have to actually steal tech data.(or at least try) :blush:

A sleeper wakes up and gets busted…this time.

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]Things were a lot easier for them when the Clinton* regieme was in power. Now they have to actually steal tech data.(or at least try) :blush:

A sleeper wakes up and gets busted…this time.[/quote]

Of course, under the Bush administration, we get to see top White House officials just giving sensitive info away. Good thing Scooter Libby isn’t in the White House anymore to continue the GOP leadership’s efforts to torpedo our key CIA officers. However, I bet Karl Rove and the others would see no problems in handing off sensitive information to the broader world, including the Chinese. Has Rove been fired yet? Does he still have a security clearance?

In the Republican leaders’ “no accountability” fantasyland, they can undermine U.S. national security at any time so long as their position is high enough.

[quote=“mofangongren”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]Things were a lot easier for them when the Clinton* regieme was in power. Now they have to actually steal tech data.(or at least try) :blush:

A sleeper wakes up and gets busted…this time.[/quote]

Of course, under the Bush administration, we get to see top White House officials just giving sensitive info away. Good thing Scooter Libby isn’t in the White House anymore to continue the GOP leadership’s efforts to torpedo our key CIA officers.[/quote]
Well, that makes one negative event, in five years, and even that was extremely minor compared to the Clinton* clown circus refusing to accept Osama bin Laden’s head on a platter from Sudan, not even to mention the Clinton* clowns’ suspected leak of W88 nuclear warhead design information to mainland China. How many investigations and indictments did the Clintons have in their first five years??

Only if you decide to only count to “one”. Every single day that Bush allowed (and continues to allow) the traitors involved with this leak of highly sensitive information to remain at the top levels of his administration seems pretty egregious. Of course, that comes from a man who only feels compelled to disrupt his vacations to sign the Terry Schiavo law, but feels no compunction to lift a finger when he hears that al Qaeda is determined to strike within the United States with hijacked planes. The Katrina and Rita hurricanes have only further underscored the importance that Bush puts on his Arabian horse club cronies over the safety and security of the American people. Four years after 9-11, and we’re still absolutely not ready to handle the sorts of evacuations and emergency work necessary in the wake of a terror attack on one of our cities.

Oh, only if that were true. I’ll let Clinton handle that malarkey:

You want to compare a make-believe offer to Clinton (and a similarly fantasized refusal) against a top member of the Bush administration spreading information about to the press about one of our key CIA agents handling weapons-proliferation issues? Scooter Libby ruined some 20 years worth of Plame’s efforts and source-building, subjected those sources to scrutiny within their home countries (“Hmmm… Mr. Kbjutoai, we’ll have to take a closer look at those lunches you were having with the ambassador’s wife.”), and ultimately exposed the CIA cover companies she used over many years – thus risking other CIA covert operatives.

What was that you were saying about Libby’s actions being “minor” when compared to the bogus tales of Clinton?

OK, let’s look at that. Here’s a WSJ article that might help:

[quote]China received secret design information for the most modern U.S. nuclear warhead, and U.S. officials say the top suspect is an American scientist working at a U.S. Department of Energy weapons laboratory.

The FBI is still investigating the incident, which occurred in the mid-1980s at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, but was only uncovered in 1995. No arrest has been made, but officials say the suspect, whom they declined to name, has been removed from any sensitive projects.[/quote]

Your comparison is laughable. An American scientist sometime within the same timeframe of the Clinton administration doing suspicious activity was located and removed promptly from any sensitive projects while the investigation was pending. That’s a far cry from top-level Bush administration officials continuing to maintain their security clearances despite their overt and clumsy attempts to spread highly sensitive information about key CIA weapons-proliferation officers.

For more than two years, the Bush administration has tolerated traitors within its ranks, persons whose actions have clearly harmed the United States’ national security.

None relating to Clinton administration members selling out their country.

Could be another Wen Ho Lee case and another embarrassment to USA counter-intelligence.

Ironically, Wen Ho Lee lawyers are using the Libby and Scooter case to try to force the USA government to “out” the official that originally and wrongfully accused Wen Ho Lee of spying.

Or it could be another Capt. James Yee case where fabrication upon fabrication are used. Until all that is left is to bust the kid for having porn on a government laptop.

I think you’re confusing the sort of key undercover work that Monica Lewinsky did with a minor bit-part player whose self-aggrandizing husband brought too much attention to her. :laughing:

Well, if you consider intelligence officers with some 20 years worth of contacts in the shadowy world of weapons proliferation to be “minor bit-party players” in the struggle against terrorist groups and weapons proliferation, then I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

And if you consider a top-level White House official running about giving sensitive national-security information to folks without security clearances to be “appropriate,” then we’ll again just have to disagree.

If you consider it a good idea to get even with an administration critic by sucker-punching that man’s wife, risking 20 years of her intelligence sources, and exposing all the cover companies for which she has worked and the other agents who have worked there, then I’m glad to stand with the Americans who would never jeopardize their homeland’s national security no matter what sort of personal complaint we might have about somebody’s husband.

Well, if you consider intelligence officers with some 20 years worth of contacts in the shadowy world of weapons proliferation to be “minor bit-party players” in the struggle against terrorist groups and weapons proliferation, then I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

And if you consider a top-level White House official running about giving sensitive national-security information to folks without security clearances to be “appropriate,” then we’ll again just have to disagree.

If you consider it a good idea to get even with an administration critic by sucker-punching that man’s wife, risking 20 years of her intelligence sources, and exposing all the cover companies for which she has worked and the other agents who have worked there, then I’m glad to stand with the Americans who would never jeopardize their homeland’s national security no matter what sort of personal complaint we might have about somebody’s husband.[/quote]
I don’t see a direct relationship with a few HK people getting busted for stealing US defense technology. May I suggest you start another thread?

[quote=“mofangongren”]
Well, if you consider intelligence officers with some 20 years worth of contacts in the shadowy world of weapons proliferation to be “minor bit-party players” in the struggle against terrorist groups and weapons proliferation, then I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. [/quote]

Better talk to her husband. Seems he was babbling to all and sundry about his wife being a CIA agent.

Joe Wilson seems to be the kind of guy who can’t keep his mouth shut. I wonder why he and his wife have never been questioned under oath?

[quote]“He was rather open about his wife working at the CIA,” said Vallely, who retired in 1991 as the Army’s deputy commanding general in the Pacific.

“He was a total self promoter,” Vallely said. “I don’t know if it was out of insecurity, to make him feel important, but he’s created so much turmoil, he needs to be investigated and put under oath.”

Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife.

“That was pretty common knowledge,” he said. “She’s been out there on the Washington scene many years.”[/quote]

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Why is anyone shocked or surprised some Chinese got caught stealing defense secrets? Seriously. They’ve been doing it ever since we started allowing mainland students (and for that matter, Taiwan students) into the US.

They were widely known for pickin-up bar tabs in ‘Silicon Valley,’ Dublin and San Ramon Cali in the late 70’s and thru the 80’s.
Of course they had competition from the Soviets from the Green St. embassy.

They were widely known for pickin-up bar tabs in ‘Silicon Valley,’ Dublin and San Ramon Cali in the late 70’s and through the 80’s.
Of course they had competition from the Soviets from the Green St. embassy.[/quote]

They were also in Tucson, Arizona in the mid-1980s. Hughes had their big missile factory there and IBM had a large research center. Around 1985, a Taiwanese husband (former IBM engineer) and wife team were arrested at LAX trying to smuggle half a ton of top secret IBM documents to the PRC.

[quote=“Comrade Stalin”][quote=“mofangongren”]
Well, if you consider intelligence officers with some 20 years worth of contacts in the shadowy world of weapons proliferation to be “minor bit-party players” in the struggle against terrorist groups and weapons proliferation, then I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. [/quote]

Better talk to her husband. Seems he was babbling to all and sundry about his wife being a CIA agent.[/quote]

Seems like he wasn’t. Their neighbors and closest friends didn’t know.

Joe Wilson seems to be the kind of guy who can’t keep his mouth shut. I wonder why he and his wife have never been questioned under oath?[/quote]

If you mean he couldn’t help writing in the NY Times to expose the fake justification for the war offered up by Bush in the famous “16 words,” well then sure I can understand how the Bushies would not be happy that he’d shined some light on the fakey rationales for the Iraq war. However, that doesn’t justify getting revenge by hurting a separate person doing good work in an essential anti-terror post. Attacking Wilson by sucker-punching his wife only served to hurt the security of the United States.

[quote=“Comrade Stalin”][quote]“He was rather open about his wife working at the CIA,” said Vallely, who retired in 1991 as the Army’s deputy commanding general in the Pacific.

“He was a total self promoter,” Vallely said. “I don’t know if it was out of insecurity, to make him feel important, but he’s created so much turmoil, he needs to be investigated and put under oath.”

Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife.

“That was pretty common knowledge,” he said. “She’s been out there on the Washington scene many years.”[/quote][/quote]

Vallely laughably says Wilson spilled the beans in the Fox green room over three occasions… Here’s the schedule of Vallely’s and Wilson’s appearances. When did they meet? To be charitable to Vallely, perhaps he’s having a senior moment. To be less charitable, perhaps he’s just another one of Fox’s lying liars.

Vallely lamely tries to say that CIA colleagues of Plame heard Wilson refer to his “CIA wife”. Well, hey, how on earth are you going to get into a CIA cocktail party unless you know somebody inside? Two problems with this: 1) it’s not “outing” a CIA officer to do so to CIA officers who already know she works there; 2) gate crashing CIA cocktail parties is a big no-no.

But let’s let Wilson speak for himself:

Now that it’s firmly established that Vallely is a lying sack of crap (or a man having some pretty nasty “senior moments”), I think I shall just say: Thanks for playing instead of getting into Vallely’s involvement with occultist ritual-sex figure Lt. Col. Michael Aquino, famed founder of the Temple of Set. :loco:

Good that Sidey didn’t do the sort of creepy thing that Novak did. Living overseas for many years like quite a few folks on forumosa have, there are plenty of folks we get to know who may likely/almost-certainly be intelligence officers. It would be beyond the pale for any of us to take some personal knowledge acquired inadvertently or otherwise, pertaining to the national security of America, and use it for a partisan smearfest against a political opponent.

Knowing that Wilson went to Niger is not the problem at issue. The problem is senior White House officials spreading information that hurts the U.S. national security because of its inability to articulate an appropriate (or even a legal) response to the challenges posed by Wilson’s calling 'em on the carpet.

Sore losers sucker-punching a man’s wife. Let’s just hope the next election is about “values.” Then we can chase the GOP leadership’s traitors out for once and for all.

Yeah. Put another Democrat in who will sell the country out to the Chinese communists. Can you say “John Huang” or “James Riady”? Please tell us more about those “values”. Please.

We’ll see if anyone is willing to state under oath at Libby’s trial that Wilson told them his wife was a covert agent with the CIA.

Talk is cheap. Testifying under oath is where the rubber meets the road.

[quote=“spook”]We’ll see if anyone is willing to state under oath at Libby’s trial that Wilson told them his wife was a covert agent with the CIA.

Talk is cheap. Testifying under oath is where the rubber meets the road.[/quote]

So why haven’t Wilson and his wife been interviewed under oath?

Yeah. Put another Democrat in who will sell the country out to the Chinese communists. Can you say “John Huang” or “James Riady”? Please tell us more about those “values”. Please.[/quote]

There’s a big difference between two private citizens tied to illegal campaign donations a decade ago and the continued Bush
White House tolerance for traitors during wartime. Top-level White House officials just sitting about leaking sensitive information, causing immense harm to our national security.

The sad thing is that Scooter Libby was involved with the Cox Commission investigation and report … and he still chose to dance with the devil anyway. Can hardly argue that the man didn’t know exactly what he was doing.

It’s not just one woman’s career, you know – it’s all the people she met with, it’s all the people she got information from, it’s all the people we used to be able to rely on for information on weapons-proliferation issues. It’s every company on every business card she handed somebody in 20 years of work as a NOC. It’s every CIA officer whose cover has now been compromised because, at one time or another, they supposedly worked for one of the same cover companies. Libby and his crew should have a short drop and a sudden stop for what he’s done to the American people.

Yeah. Put another Democrat in who will sell the country out to the Chinese communists. Can you say “John Huang” or “James Riady”? Please tell us more about those “values”. Please.[/quote]

There’s a big difference between two private citizens tied to illegal campaign donations a decade ago and the continued Bush
White House tolerance for traitors during wartime. Top-level White House officials just sitting about leaking sensitive information, causing immense harm to our national security. [/quote]

I know it’s hard for you, but do you think you can [i]try[/i] and keep this on the Chinese?

No problem, CS!

Tainan Cowboy raised the issue that stealing sensitive information was “easier” in the Clinton years. I contested that by pointing out that Bush administration officials directly give out information. It is actually much easier to hurt the security of the U.S. when White House officials are “fluffing” press contacts like Robert Novak with lots of leaks.

You kindly raised a couple of illegal-campaign-finance folks from the private sector who got busted a decade ago, and it’s worth knowing that the same guy who was involved with that investigation has, surprise-surprise, ended up as a central exhibit for the Bush administration’s obvious strong tolerance for traitors in their midst.

From my perspective it is absolutely no surprise that the Chinese are trying to beg, borrow and steal every bit of technological information they can to make their weapons better. That the U.S. is a sieve for such information is also not surprising considering the attitude of the Bushies. Simply put, the Bush administration has no respect for the security of the American people.